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It's fan fiction, but it's cannon fan fiction The Wandering Gambler Send a noteboard - 20/09/2012 06:55:18 AM
I feel a bit guilty, since its not the same, but I'm glad we have something. Good points on the meeting. She's not the most complex character, but I think Sanderson handled Moghedien well (she's always been Ms. Exposition after being downgraded as a threat in TSR).

Not really the place for this, but I enjoyed seeing Sandersons Talmanes. I think his Talmanes would ave been a great foils to RJ's Mat...


I downloaded the Prologue for AMOL, which you can all now purchase at Dragonmount.

In summary, the following has happened...

1. The chapter is from Moghedien's PoV where she goes to meet with the other Forsaken in a world made up by Moridin that is only half TAR, and the other half altered reality.

2. Moghedien has been freed of her captivity by Moridin and wears the mindtrap around her neck. She is paranoid about its safety.

3. Moghedien says that Cyndane is still Moridin's captive and she notices the Mindtrap around his neck. Cyndane is not at the meeting, nor does she arrive later. She confirms that Lanfear had been captive of the Finns and that they had fed on her ability. Moridin rescued her and killed her, both to rescue her and as punishment.

4. Demandred arrives, and as usual complains that he has been summoned. He notices that Moghedien has been freed. Moghedien once again confirms that she doesn't know what he is up to, and the chapter does not reveal where he is or whom he commands. Moghedien states that Demandred is held in very high esteem by the Dark One.

5. An old and very ugly woman joins them who Moghedien doesn't recognize and who is very strong in the Power. They gasp when they realize that it is Graendal, who is now presumably reborn as Hessalam, meaning 'without forgiveness'. Moghedien laughs at her.

6. Moridin confirms that they are all that remain of the Chosen. Mazrim Taim joins them and Moridin states that he has been raised to Chosen. Hesselam is scandalized but Moridin silences her.

7. Moridin assigns Moghedien to assist Demandred in preparation for war, and that if she complains he will make her feel pain like she has never known. Moghedien sulks.

Overall it was a very informative chapter, if you think about it. We now know that none of the Chosen will make a return. It's safe to say that Aginor, Sammael and Mesaana will not resurface and that there are five primary Forsaken for the end battle (with Taim now officially one of the Forsaken).

Moghedien is free of the mindtrap and she explains what happened to Lanfear in a few lines, but also in full. Lanfear is still not free of her slavery and torture. It seems as if Graendal was killed by SH, or after he dealt with her and placed in an old and ugly body. That, or some complex illusion is on her, though I doubt it. Graendal seems to have retained her character and power, and isn't a wreck like Mesaana was after SH dealt with her.

Demandred remains as mysterious as ever. There is even the insinuation that Moridin himself doesn't know what Demandred is up to - and Demandred says that he will discover in due time and be shocked at what he's accomplished.

As a final personal note, I find the style pretty bad. You will be stunned at the constant repetition of facts throughout these chapters. Yes, we hear again that Demandred has a hooked nose and is handsome. We hear again about the mystery of Cyndane, how crazy Ishamael was and how Demandred hates Lews Therin. It will leave you pretty nauseous if you think about how little we need to be reminded of these facts again and again. I didn't enjoy the style and found it almost amateur, if that isn't too offensive to say. It didn't remind me of any of the previous Forsaken chapters written by Jordan. Some of the metaphors are very weak and the Forsaken personalities are poorly captured.
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AMOL Prologue : Analysis of Forsaken section *major spoilers* - 19/09/2012 05:47:21 PM 3150 Views
You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before. - 19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM 1409 Views
Part of me keeps screaming Logain, though that can't be right... - 20/09/2012 12:14:00 PM 1365 Views
I thought of Logain as well... - 20/09/2012 06:10:58 PM 1239 Views
We have our answer as to why Cyndane and Moiraine are reduced in power. - 20/09/2012 05:14:01 AM 1289 Views
It was spelled out before. - 20/09/2012 05:25:05 AM 1171 Views
And some of us guessed that's what happened, we just didn't have evidence. *NM* - 20/09/2012 12:04:18 PM 678 Views
Nor a lot of support for the idea... - 22/09/2012 06:28:14 PM 1154 Views
Really? Seemed like the obvious series of events - 23/09/2012 02:32:35 PM 1098 Views
I know... - 23/09/2012 05:30:42 PM 1147 Views
I'm not so sure - 24/09/2012 05:32:50 PM 1135 Views
Why question it? - 25/09/2012 01:40:39 AM 1022 Views
Re: Why question it? - 25/09/2012 06:12:32 AM 979 Views
Six Chosen... - 20/09/2012 05:19:17 AM 1335 Views
It's fan fiction, but it's cannon fan fiction - 20/09/2012 06:55:18 AM 1298 Views
Demandred - the wasted Forsaken - 20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM 1201 Views
RJ's writing was bad. Sanderson's is far worse. *NM* - 21/09/2012 06:19:04 AM 680 Views
Re: Demandred - the wasted Forsaken - 22/09/2012 07:23:19 PM 1099 Views
Talmanes - 23/09/2012 12:42:27 AM 1504 Views
Re: Talmanes - 02/10/2012 03:27:05 PM 952 Views
Two interesting Forsaken issues you haven't raised - 22/09/2012 06:21:34 PM 1338 Views
Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand - 23/09/2012 02:53:32 AM 1059 Views
Re: Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand - 23/09/2012 05:50:48 PM 1106 Views
I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring - 23/09/2012 06:35:19 PM 1031 Views
Re: I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring - 23/09/2012 07:46:59 PM 1275 Views
The first time we hear about Transmigration is in LOC - 23/09/2012 08:50:10 PM 1281 Views
Why was Ishamael reinstantiated as Nae'blis after his death? - 02/10/2012 10:17:03 PM 1113 Views
I have to wonder at Hessalam - 23/09/2012 01:20:13 PM 1299 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam - 23/09/2012 06:52:10 PM 1352 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam - 24/09/2012 05:18:29 PM 1519 Views
I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! - 25/09/2012 03:22:56 AM 1006 Views
Re: I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! - 25/09/2012 06:13:51 AM 1056 Views
So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? Shara or Isle of Madmen back on the table? - 23/09/2012 08:01:03 PM 1116 Views
Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? - 23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM 1233 Views
Interesting... - 23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM 1048 Views
Re: Interesting... - 23/09/2012 11:31:31 PM 1256 Views
Just one comment.. - 23/09/2012 11:53:09 PM 1727 Views
If I had to take a guess right now I'd say he has been setting up various Shadow armies thought the - 23/09/2012 09:30:34 PM 1051 Views
I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL... - 23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM 1149 Views
As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers - 23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM 1296 Views
All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally.. - 23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM 954 Views
It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach - 23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM 924 Views
The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size... - 23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM 1029 Views
That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case - 23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM 1025 Views
Direct quote from Demandred refutes this... - 23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM 1005 Views
Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways - 23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM 1032 Views
Re: Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways - 23/09/2012 11:36:54 PM 1044 Views
Not really - 24/09/2012 12:31:48 AM 1085 Views
"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World? - 23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM 1126 Views
I can certainly something like this happening - 23/09/2012 10:50:35 PM 927 Views
I'm not sure it's possible... - 24/09/2012 03:02:26 AM 1061 Views
I think ... - 24/09/2012 05:36:38 PM 1040 Views
The changes in Moghedien - 25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM 921 Views
I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something? - 25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM 1066 Views
Well.. - 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM 929 Views
Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me... - 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM 1243 Views
Hmmm.... - 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM 984 Views
Hehe, that old argument again. - 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM 873 Views
Yes. - 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM 866 Views
I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM 976 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM 925 Views
Well... - 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM 891 Views
Re: Well... - 26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM 1025 Views
Nice speculation. I like that type of calculation. - 26/09/2012 10:59:43 AM 960 Views
Re: Well... - 27/09/2012 03:12:06 AM 924 Views
Re: Well... - 27/09/2012 08:17:07 AM 881 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM 979 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM 961 Views
Actually...... - 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM 1034 Views
Agree with this.. - 26/09/2012 06:12:34 AM 848 Views
Not sure that's completely true.. - 26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM 890 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. - 26/09/2012 03:02:41 PM 1050 Views
This is what I've been saying for years! - 26/09/2012 05:48:01 PM 777 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. - 27/09/2012 03:17:00 AM 937 Views
Probably something like this - 26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM 942 Views
Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... - 26/09/2012 08:56:32 AM 907 Views
Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... - 26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM 857 Views
Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve - 26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM 1108 Views
One thing about that... - 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM 996 Views
Possible, but I find it unlikely - 27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM 894 Views
The reason I think that... - 27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM 937 Views
I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in - 27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM 1017 Views
Of course that's the correct answer, yes. - 27/09/2012 08:12:45 AM 1075 Views
I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice - 26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM 975 Views
Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice - 26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM 1043 Views
That is the question I was getting at - 26/09/2012 06:00:03 PM 998 Views
Re: That is the question I was getting at - 26/09/2012 07:01:34 PM 1028 Views

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