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It's fan fiction, but it's cannon fan fiction The Wandering Gambler Send a noteboard - 20/09/2012 06:55:18 AM
I feel a bit guilty, since its not the same, but I'm glad we have something. Good points on the meeting. She's not the most complex character, but I think Sanderson handled Moghedien well (she's always been Ms. Exposition after being downgraded as a threat in TSR).

Not really the place for this, but I enjoyed seeing Sandersons Talmanes. I think his Talmanes would ave been a great foils to RJ's Mat...


I downloaded the Prologue for AMOL, which you can all now purchase at Dragonmount.

In summary, the following has happened...

1. The chapter is from Moghedien's PoV where she goes to meet with the other Forsaken in a world made up by Moridin that is only half TAR, and the other half altered reality.

2. Moghedien has been freed of her captivity by Moridin and wears the mindtrap around her neck. She is paranoid about its safety.

3. Moghedien says that Cyndane is still Moridin's captive and she notices the Mindtrap around his neck. Cyndane is not at the meeting, nor does she arrive later. She confirms that Lanfear had been captive of the Finns and that they had fed on her ability. Moridin rescued her and killed her, both to rescue her and as punishment.

4. Demandred arrives, and as usual complains that he has been summoned. He notices that Moghedien has been freed. Moghedien once again confirms that she doesn't know what he is up to, and the chapter does not reveal where he is or whom he commands. Moghedien states that Demandred is held in very high esteem by the Dark One.

5. An old and very ugly woman joins them who Moghedien doesn't recognize and who is very strong in the Power. They gasp when they realize that it is Graendal, who is now presumably reborn as Hessalam, meaning 'without forgiveness'. Moghedien laughs at her.

6. Moridin confirms that they are all that remain of the Chosen. Mazrim Taim joins them and Moridin states that he has been raised to Chosen. Hesselam is scandalized but Moridin silences her.

7. Moridin assigns Moghedien to assist Demandred in preparation for war, and that if she complains he will make her feel pain like she has never known. Moghedien sulks.

Overall it was a very informative chapter, if you think about it. We now know that none of the Chosen will make a return. It's safe to say that Aginor, Sammael and Mesaana will not resurface and that there are five primary Forsaken for the end battle (with Taim now officially one of the Forsaken).

Moghedien is free of the mindtrap and she explains what happened to Lanfear in a few lines, but also in full. Lanfear is still not free of her slavery and torture. It seems as if Graendal was killed by SH, or after he dealt with her and placed in an old and ugly body. That, or some complex illusion is on her, though I doubt it. Graendal seems to have retained her character and power, and isn't a wreck like Mesaana was after SH dealt with her.

Demandred remains as mysterious as ever. There is even the insinuation that Moridin himself doesn't know what Demandred is up to - and Demandred says that he will discover in due time and be shocked at what he's accomplished.

As a final personal note, I find the style pretty bad. You will be stunned at the constant repetition of facts throughout these chapters. Yes, we hear again that Demandred has a hooked nose and is handsome. We hear again about the mystery of Cyndane, how crazy Ishamael was and how Demandred hates Lews Therin. It will leave you pretty nauseous if you think about how little we need to be reminded of these facts again and again. I didn't enjoy the style and found it almost amateur, if that isn't too offensive to say. It didn't remind me of any of the previous Forsaken chapters written by Jordan. Some of the metaphors are very weak and the Forsaken personalities are poorly captured.
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AMOL Prologue : Analysis of Forsaken section *major spoilers* - 19/09/2012 05:47:21 PM 3081 Views
You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before. - 19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM 1329 Views
Part of me keeps screaming Logain, though that can't be right... - 20/09/2012 12:14:00 PM 1284 Views
I thought of Logain as well... - 20/09/2012 06:10:58 PM 1158 Views
We have our answer as to why Cyndane and Moiraine are reduced in power. - 20/09/2012 05:14:01 AM 1243 Views
It was spelled out before. - 20/09/2012 05:25:05 AM 1105 Views
And some of us guessed that's what happened, we just didn't have evidence. *NM* - 20/09/2012 12:04:18 PM 646 Views
Nor a lot of support for the idea... - 22/09/2012 06:28:14 PM 1083 Views
Really? Seemed like the obvious series of events - 23/09/2012 02:32:35 PM 1034 Views
I know... - 23/09/2012 05:30:42 PM 1076 Views
I'm not so sure - 24/09/2012 05:32:50 PM 1054 Views
Why question it? - 25/09/2012 01:40:39 AM 957 Views
Re: Why question it? - 25/09/2012 06:12:32 AM 911 Views
Six Chosen... - 20/09/2012 05:19:17 AM 1258 Views
It's fan fiction, but it's cannon fan fiction - 20/09/2012 06:55:18 AM 1223 Views
Demandred - the wasted Forsaken - 20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM 1131 Views
RJ's writing was bad. Sanderson's is far worse. *NM* - 21/09/2012 06:19:04 AM 650 Views
Re: Demandred - the wasted Forsaken - 22/09/2012 07:23:19 PM 1021 Views
Talmanes - 23/09/2012 12:42:27 AM 1431 Views
Re: Talmanes - 02/10/2012 03:27:05 PM 880 Views
Two interesting Forsaken issues you haven't raised - 22/09/2012 06:21:34 PM 1290 Views
Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand - 23/09/2012 02:53:32 AM 1021 Views
Re: Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand - 23/09/2012 05:50:48 PM 1026 Views
I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring - 23/09/2012 06:35:19 PM 965 Views
Re: I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring - 23/09/2012 07:46:59 PM 1208 Views
The first time we hear about Transmigration is in LOC - 23/09/2012 08:50:10 PM 1211 Views
Why was Ishamael reinstantiated as Nae'blis after his death? - 02/10/2012 10:17:03 PM 1035 Views
I have to wonder at Hessalam - 23/09/2012 01:20:13 PM 1221 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam - 23/09/2012 06:52:10 PM 1277 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam - 24/09/2012 05:18:29 PM 1456 Views
I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! - 25/09/2012 03:22:56 AM 942 Views
Re: I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! - 25/09/2012 06:13:51 AM 991 Views
So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? Shara or Isle of Madmen back on the table? - 23/09/2012 08:01:03 PM 1036 Views
Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? - 23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM 1161 Views
Interesting... - 23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM 983 Views
Re: Interesting... - 23/09/2012 11:31:31 PM 1184 Views
Just one comment.. - 23/09/2012 11:53:09 PM 1655 Views
If I had to take a guess right now I'd say he has been setting up various Shadow armies thought the - 23/09/2012 09:30:34 PM 980 Views
I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL... - 23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM 1079 Views
As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers - 23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM 1217 Views
All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally.. - 23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM 883 Views
It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach - 23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM 851 Views
The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size... - 23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM 961 Views
That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case - 23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM 951 Views
Direct quote from Demandred refutes this... - 23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM 928 Views
Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways - 23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM 954 Views
Re: Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways - 23/09/2012 11:36:54 PM 958 Views
Not really - 24/09/2012 12:31:48 AM 1015 Views
"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World? - 23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM 1044 Views
I can certainly something like this happening - 23/09/2012 10:50:35 PM 848 Views
I'm not sure it's possible... - 24/09/2012 03:02:26 AM 987 Views
I think ... - 24/09/2012 05:36:38 PM 969 Views
The changes in Moghedien - 25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM 840 Views
I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something? - 25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM 991 Views
Well.. - 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM 859 Views
Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me... - 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM 1167 Views
Hmmm.... - 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM 913 Views
Hehe, that old argument again. - 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM 808 Views
Yes. - 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM 806 Views
I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM 896 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM 858 Views
Well... - 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM 824 Views
Re: Well... - 26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM 954 Views
Nice speculation. I like that type of calculation. - 26/09/2012 10:59:43 AM 883 Views
Re: Well... - 27/09/2012 03:12:06 AM 836 Views
Re: Well... - 27/09/2012 08:17:07 AM 826 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM 900 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM 867 Views
Actually...... - 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM 962 Views
Agree with this.. - 26/09/2012 06:12:34 AM 777 Views
Not sure that's completely true.. - 26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM 838 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. - 26/09/2012 03:02:41 PM 978 Views
This is what I've been saying for years! - 26/09/2012 05:48:01 PM 712 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. - 27/09/2012 03:17:00 AM 856 Views
Probably something like this - 26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM 859 Views
Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... - 26/09/2012 08:56:32 AM 829 Views
Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... - 26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM 776 Views
Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve - 26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM 1022 Views
One thing about that... - 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM 924 Views
Possible, but I find it unlikely - 27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM 819 Views
The reason I think that... - 27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM 859 Views
I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in - 27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM 931 Views
Of course that's the correct answer, yes. - 27/09/2012 08:12:45 AM 1001 Views
I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice - 26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM 899 Views
Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice - 26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM 969 Views
That is the question I was getting at - 26/09/2012 06:00:03 PM 926 Views
Re: That is the question I was getting at - 26/09/2012 07:01:34 PM 950 Views

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