Re: His response certainly seem to raise more questions than it answers, perhaps deliberately.
Joel Send a noteboard - 03/06/2012 08:44:57 AM
Honestly, those quotes seem somewhat at odds with the confirmation, unless LTT both recalls all the events from all his incarnations as a Hero of the Horn, including each encounter with incarnations of Hawkwing, AND recognizes the sword as Hawkwings
You're missing the obvious possibilities: Justice may predate Artur Hawkwing.
LTT should know nothing of Hawkwing, and he never showed any sign of having any "Dragon" memory not belonging to him. It doesn't mean he doesn't remember anything about that sword, or about an AOL owner of that sword.
Some have even suggested the sword that became Justice used to be LTT's in the WOS, and has now returned to Rand.
Others have suggested Justice may be like the Horn of Valere: a pre-AOL artefact that sat in a museum through the AOL, before it found its way to its archetypal owner when Hawkwing was born in the third Age.
Probably a safe bet; I would be surprised if a thousand year old sword sharpened more than once a decade was much more than a dagger. With all the prestige and value attached to Power wrought blades, I would be equally surprised if Hawkwings were not one, which would make it date to LTTs day. I would be VERY surprised if LTT were ever Reborn between his death and Rands birth, but if the sword is intimately linked to Hawkwing (as his Falme appearance indicates) he might remember it from previous encounters, or perhaps even from encounters with Hawkwing while both were dead in Tel'aran'rhiod. Honestly, given all we know, it is kind of surprising the Shadow never tried to permanently kill any of the Heroes there, both to prevent their periodic interference and their epical opposition at TG via the Horn. Sorry, sleep; makes me tangential....
' /> There's little reason why Tuon should recognize Justice on sight, unless it has some very distinctive feature that has been described in Seanchan history books. Tuon didn't recognize it in its dragon-marked scabbard, we can say as much.
Maybe I imprinted too much on leather scabbards, but it seems odd to think they would be the same age. Possible though. I guess I figured that if Rand could recognize it from a madmans memories, Tuon could recognize it from written descriptions of her dynastys revered founder.
Rand himself didn't necesseraly recognize it so much as his memory of it from Falme was enough to confirm what he was told. It's believed by many that the scholars who found it have discovered the previously unlocated grave of Hawkwing, underwater in the pool beside Hawkwing's statue, in the abandonned stedding from EOTW. Rand was told by those who brought him the sword it was Justice, his memories from Falme merely validated that.
I was thinking more of him noting LTTs memories of it. However, a distinction between the two does argue for the view the latter were, in fact, unrelated to Hawkwing, and that the sword has a deeper history.
That does not permit the luxury of looking over all our shoulders as Jordan often seemed to do, and there is probably a wealth of theory and debate to which Sanderson remains nearly or completely oblivious.
His assistant keeps a closer eye than Brandon on the MBs. But Brandon has done tons of Q&A and meetings and conventions with WOT fans by now. He knows the theories better than you think.
Maybe, but he can hardly know all of them, and he is probably almost or completely ignorant of many theories, particularly obscure ones. Following every fringe theory on every fansite would not be a good use of his time, and probably not even his assistants.
I always assumed the Forsaken Traveled as close as they safely could to Shayol Ghul, then hiked the remaining distance.
SG isn't a dreamspike. The Forsaken must walk the last stretch to the Pit of Doom, because he doesn't allow use of the OP or TP anywhere close to the Pit. Sure, he must also enjoy it.
Not a spike, no, but same effect in this case. Technically, I cannot recall the books saying the OP use is expressly prohibited at SG, only incredibly dangerous.
Regarding the approach to the BT in Tel'aran'rhiod, however, my understanding was that the dreamspikes dome is impenetrable within TAR by ANY means.
No, Perrin crossed the perimeter in TAR "on foot" in TOM, that's how he managed to reach the dreamspike and take it away. It's just impossible to move instantly anywhere inside the dome, or once you're under it, to move instantly anywhere outside the dome. The second dreamspike will forcibly be far better protected from dreamwalkers, since they know of that weakness.
Right, stumbled across that again re-scanning while replying to your other response to me; I somehow missed it in TWO readings, so my bad.
' /> It is however impossible to enter stedding or the Blight/SG from TAR, even on foot (and the why is a RAFO). Before its protection was broken, that was also the case with Rhuidean, so creating such a barrier in TAR is possible. I merely suggested the presence of SG rocks at the BT might have made it another such impenetrable zone, which would pretty much leave the Light only the possibility of reaching the dreamspike in the real world.
The majority is convinced the presence of Pevara and co. at the BT has the story purpose of escaping and warning everyone early about Taim. But it's far from impossible that the purpose of that Asha'man with a Gateway talent is rather to puzzle out from inside the BT how Travelling is blocked there and narrow down the location of the dreamspike, very likely in Taim's palace. In other words, they may manage to hide from the upcoming purge - they already found out enough to know they're in dire danger - and remain hidden inside the grounds... and eventually find and disrupt the dreamspike. If there's no visible sign the dreamspike no longer works, that may open an opportunity for a massive surprise attack on the BT, late in the game.
The majority is convinced the presence of Pevara and co. at the BT has the story purpose of escaping and warning everyone early about Taim. But it's far from impossible that the purpose of that Asha'man with a Gateway talent is rather to puzzle out from inside the BT how Travelling is blocked there and narrow down the location of the dreamspike, very likely in Taim's palace. In other words, they may manage to hide from the upcoming purge - they already found out enough to know they're in dire danger - and remain hidden inside the grounds... and eventually find and disrupt the dreamspike. If there's no visible sign the dreamspike no longer works, that may open an opportunity for a massive surprise attack on the BT, late in the game.
Androls special Traveling talent definitely foreshadows something, and the most logical (but not necessarily correct) explanation is that he will figure out a way to circumvent some or all the spikes effects. I do not expect them to escape and carry early warning, but provide intel during the final contest over control of the BT. Just because the BT will be rent in blood and fire does not mean it will be destroyed, and Sisters already walk its grounds.
As for the possibility the dreamspike's range can be adjusted, there's the fact Nynaeve managed to Travel just outside the BT. It suggests the coverage of that dreamspike is fairly precise. It's not a confirmation, but it leaves the possibility open for now.
I think (but could definitely be wrong) its coverage is fairly precise, but "just outside the BT" is not. Adjustability is a natural desire with something like that though, so maybe you are right.
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So apparently the palace at the Black Tower is made of Shayol Ghul stone...
- 23/05/2012 12:57:37 AM
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Maybe Shaidar Haran's physical limitation to SG can be bypassed by moving tainted rocks elsewhere? *NM*
- 23/05/2012 03:10:59 AM
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Not the palace...
- 23/05/2012 03:32:59 AM
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That is good logic, but the flip side is: Why would RJ bother to specify that if it were minutiae?
- 23/05/2012 11:22:24 AM
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Wouldn't have taken any time away from creating the ending.
- 23/05/2012 02:58:32 PM
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It just seems an odd thing to mention purely as background color.
- 23/05/2012 08:17:45 PM
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- 23/05/2012 08:42:09 PM
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Yeah, my bet is it is something more like that.
- 23/05/2012 09:14:24 PM
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- 24/05/2012 02:23:54 AM
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His response certainly seem to raise more questions than it answers, perhaps deliberately.
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Re: His response certainly seem to raise more questions than it answers, perhaps deliberately.
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Re: His response certainly seem to raise more questions than it answers, perhaps deliberately.
- 03/06/2012 08:44:57 AM
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Forgive me if I missed it, but I think the most obvious points haven't been discussed:
- 22/06/2012 10:59:02 PM
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Be'laim FTW, but technically half the Andoran nobility is Rands blood.
- 22/06/2012 11:15:12 PM
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Re: Why would RJ bother to specify that if it were minutiae?
- 23/05/2012 07:58:50 PM
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The way RJ played up everything in the Blight (especially Shayol Ghul) being subsumed in the DO...
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Re: So apparently the palace at the Black Tower is made of Shayol Ghul stone...
- 23/05/2012 05:52:12 PM
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- 23/05/2012 08:51:36 PM
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If SG rocks have special properties...
- 28/05/2012 01:28:28 AM
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Blightfortress, Towers of Midnight, etc.
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Re: Blightfortress, Towers of Midnight, etc.
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Re: Blightfortress, Towers of Midnight, etc.
- 19/06/2012 06:51:02 AM
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