Nakomi could certainly have been the work of the Shadow, but we witnessed Aviendha change the polarity of the ter'angreal first hand in the story line. While it is certainly possible that Cyndane or one of the others may know what the ter'angreal was meant for, I doubt they would have tried to mess with it. That would be like trying to fly an airplane because you know what it is and have driven a car.
Something happened when Aviendha touched the ter'angreal. We have no idea if it's something she did, or if she merely triggered something that has be done to the ter'angreal.
I'm not convinced Nakomi came from the Shadow, no more than I'm convinced Aviendha didn't trigger something from the original programming.
I'm just saying it's impossible to rule out the Shadow is involved. It wouldn't make sense from Nakomi to have been from the Shadow, what she said only makes sense as a possible manipulation if they also did something in Rhuidean. Whenever something happens that can be described as "a betrayal of hope", I think we have to remain very suspicious. Especially when such a betrayal of hope concern the future of a whole people, who've been following Rand out of belief he would save a remnant of a remnant of them...
The visions of Aviendha are perfectly coherent if the ter'angreal read her future and twisted it according to parameters. I think it's quite possible the ter'angreal can be controlled from the outside by an operator who shape the visions, that it's all a virtual future. Aviendha's thread contributed her descendants and other factors which were quite real, the operator outside introduced variants derived from the "if worlds" technology. The visions would be perfectly coherent if the operator forced the ter'angreal to include Rand's Peace, etc. The real future is in motion as it depends on many choices, as we know from all the variations seen in the Arches. Aviendha's visions had no variants, choices had been made. What blocked some choices?
Don't forget the Shadow had spies in Rand's group, was probably aware of Rand's intent for the truce with the Seanchan, and aware of the Aiel's reaction to seeing the Seanchan flaunt Shaido captives. We can't exclude the possibility the Shadow was forewarned that Aviendha had been sent to Rhuidean. Lanfear has been in that plaza, knows how Rand convinced the Aiel to follow him and talked of what went on in that ter'angreal.
That would be like trying to fly an airplane because you know what it is and have driven a car.
Lanfear knows a lot about other realities, reflections, reading the Pattern, Portal Stones and whatnot. Many suspect that ter'angreal has very direct relations to some of those domains. She was a scientist at the CD, and that was part of her field of knowledge (many even suspect there are relations between TAR etc. and the drilling of the Bore). Why assume she can't program or use that ter'angreal but that post-Breaking AS could? Chances are she'd know exactly what it is. Why assume "Nakomi" couldn't have done something to the ter'angreal when Aviendha was inside, which Aviendha triggered after? Why assume Nakomi didn't return and wasn't operating the ter'angreal when Aviendha entered it a second time?
Don't forget one thing: Nakomis is a moon-goddess, known as the Daughter of the Moon. Just like Selene. Not to mention how remiscent the way Nakomi dealt with Aviendha was of the mysterious apparition that appeared in TAR to "guide" Egwene: Silvie.
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21/05/2012 06:44:26 PM
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Thoughts...
21/05/2012 06:46:41 PM
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Re: Thoughts...
21/05/2012 08:45:41 PM
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Re: Thoughts...
21/05/2012 09:04:09 PM
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Re: Thoughts...
21/05/2012 09:35:29 PM
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Mat and the madness...
21/05/2012 10:30:09 PM
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Nynaeve's revelation may make the AS even more worried of Rand being mad
21/05/2012 10:58:37 PM
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Not Egwene though...
21/05/2012 11:02:41 PM
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Maybe, maybe not ... Nynaeve just gave everyone proof of the extent of his possible madness
21/05/2012 11:26:41 PM
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Re: Maybe, maybe not ... Nynaeve just gave everyone proof of the extent of his possible madness
22/05/2012 01:14:05 AM
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Re: Mat and the madness...
22/05/2012 02:29:31 AM
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Rand's dreams...
22/05/2012 02:42:36 AM
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She assumes he's mad just like most people assume a 19 year old boy is horney
22/05/2012 03:47:49 AM
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Everything Egwene's little pea-brain does not grasp has always been a sign of madness to her.
21/05/2012 11:05:44 PM
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Oh read the books will you?
21/05/2012 11:12:06 PM
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I'd rather not. For different reasons, it's kind of painful to read those by either author.
22/05/2012 04:46:20 AM
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What caught my eye there was "Trollocs seize Caemlyn."
22/05/2012 02:12:25 PM
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As much as I would love Moiraine to go with him to Ebou Dar
22/05/2012 07:20:40 PM
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At this stage, all roads lead to Rand.
22/05/2012 09:08:42 PM
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Re: At this stage, all roads lead to Rand.
23/05/2012 08:07:56 PM
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Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
23/05/2012 08:53:53 PM
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Re: Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
23/05/2012 09:01:10 PM
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It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
23/05/2012 09:22:47 PM
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Re: It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
24/05/2012 07:34:40 AM
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Re: It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
25/05/2012 01:23:21 AM
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Re: Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
24/05/2012 02:41:55 PM
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Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel...
24/05/2012 07:04:02 PM
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Re: Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel...
26/05/2012 09:42:20 PM
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Agreed...
26/05/2012 09:57:06 PM
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I think you are extrapolating some of his actions into more than he intends
26/05/2012 10:37:44 PM
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Re: Agreed...
27/05/2012 04:26:15 AM
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I think you're both wrong...
27/05/2012 08:41:50 AM
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I'm sure that is part of it, but I very much doubt he is thinking in terms of succession
27/05/2012 01:41:37 PM
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I can't believe Galad will be accepted as a ruler since he is the Lord Captain Commander
28/05/2012 02:48:26 AM
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Re: I can't believe Galad will be accepted as a ruler since he is the Lord Captain Commander
28/05/2012 04:54:46 PM
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That makes no sense
28/05/2012 05:50:16 PM
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Taringail was Laman's heir...
28/05/2012 07:20:07 PM
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You are answering the wrong question
29/05/2012 02:19:48 PM
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No. I've answered the exact question. You seem to have missed it.
29/05/2012 04:40:17 PM
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Yet not one of these things actually happened
29/05/2012 10:13:35 PM
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You're being absurd...
30/05/2012 01:04:36 AM
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Explain why Taringail didn't become King after Laman's death then
30/05/2012 05:48:48 AM
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30/05/2012 06:11:02 AM
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Why then would Taringail, an ambitious man, renounce a Throne?
30/05/2012 06:22:08 AM
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We don't fully know...
30/05/2012 06:43:30 AM
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You just flipped your last statement
30/05/2012 06:55:36 AM
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You seem extremely confused...
30/05/2012 09:56:30 AM
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Not confused, simply not satisfied with the information we have
30/05/2012 12:15:59 PM
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Re: Not confused, simply not satisfied with the information we have
30/05/2012 03:34:06 PM
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I am not contesting the information we have
30/05/2012 04:48:08 PM
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You're impossible...
30/05/2012 10:02:59 PM
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Re: Explain why Taringail didn't become King after Laman's death then
30/05/2012 02:22:21 PM
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See this maps back to my original stance ... Thanks for pointing out that Fionwe invented that
30/05/2012 05:09:14 PM
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Good, now you have one last thing (a few inches long) to remember so everything becomes clear....
30/05/2012 10:50:33 PM
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Re: That makes no sense
29/05/2012 04:39:45 PM
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Only one other thing...
29/05/2012 04:53:29 PM
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No. If that was the case Taringail would have been King of Cairhien and not have married Morgase *NM*
30/05/2012 05:52:18 AM
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Bryne was Captain General not First Prince and Taringail was Prince Consort not FP
30/05/2012 06:07:48 AM
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Bryne was First Prince Regent.
30/05/2012 06:19:33 AM
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No Forsaken will go near that Ter'angreal
26/05/2012 10:33:20 PM
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Re: No Forsaken will go near that Ter'angreal
27/05/2012 03:23:12 AM
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Aviendha reprogrammed the ter'angreal
27/05/2012 01:50:19 PM
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Re: Aviendha reprogrammed the ter'angreal
27/05/2012 06:44:41 PM
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I'd have to re-read to be 100% certain, but the way I read the passage
28/05/2012 02:10:14 AM
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Re: I'd have to re-read to be 100% certain, but the way I read the passage
28/05/2012 03:33:18 PM
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I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one *NM*
28/05/2012 05:18:40 PM
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He might not literally kneel before the ter'angreal, but almost certainly must meet with Tuon soon.
25/05/2012 03:40:54 AM
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