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Fair point on Ishamael darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 20/05/2012 03:36:32 PM
It's clear Egwene is NOT under a Compulsion. Graendal seems to be the only one with the ability to do what the original poster is suggesting.


Graendal being the only one capable of this seems unlikely. For one, we know that Ishamael controlled Hawkwings through compulsion, and his mind was still intact enough to conquer most of the known world so the compulsion would have had to be subtle. Verin was also able to basically invent a weave like this from scratch.

Graendal was the greatest in her field in the entire world. That however does not mean that she was the only one who could do such things. It just means that the others are a bit less skilled. That however does not automatically translate to the idea that subtle compulsion is impossible to all the other forsaken. Heck, the fact that Ishy could do it already proves that she was not alone.


He seems like the only other person with the patience spend the time to effectively compel someone and not simply rely on the OP. DomA discusses the changes/errors Sanderson makes in one of his posts in this thread ... He does a very nice job of summing up how Compulsion worked prior to TGS.

As for Verin, she cobbled together a half ass weave that only works on women and in extreme circumstances. I don't think you can say much beyond her weave is a very primitive form of true compulsion and Verin herself is willing to take her time to make the weave work with at least a little effect. She spend hours with the women she compelled and all she was really able to achieve was getting them to take an oath that they may well have taken on their own in order to get away from being da'stang. Hell she may not have even needed the weave, a little logic with some of these women may have been enough to convince them to take an oath to get out of the situation.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
This message last edited by darius_sedai on 20/05/2012 at 03:37:21 PM
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Egwene under compulsion Knightscape - 17/05/2012 05:40:31 AM 1662 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion Sidious - 17/05/2012 08:27:50 AM 931 Views
To add to that darius_sedai - 17/05/2012 01:46:02 PM 799 Views
Re: To add to that Knightscape - 18/05/2012 06:04:07 AM 815 Views
Re: To add to that Sidious - 18/05/2012 08:58:23 AM 683 Views
Re: To add to that Knightscape - 19/05/2012 04:00:49 AM 693 Views
Re: To add to that Evil_Monkey - 19/05/2012 11:04:14 AM 645 Views
Re: To add to that Knightscape - 20/05/2012 05:38:31 AM 630 Views
I think you are misunderstanding what I meant darius_sedai - 18/05/2012 04:22:38 PM 645 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion Datakim - 18/05/2012 11:31:01 PM 810 Views
Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" darius_sedai - 18/05/2012 11:47:44 PM 594 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" DomA - 19/05/2012 12:31:10 AM 802 Views
Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. darius_sedai - 19/05/2012 12:44:27 AM 578 Views
Re: Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. Datakim - 20/05/2012 07:01:23 AM 691 Views
Fair point on Ishamael darius_sedai - 20/05/2012 03:36:32 PM 721 Views
Re: Fair point on Ishamael Datakim - 21/05/2012 01:56:30 PM 711 Views
You are over simplifying it I think darius_sedai - 21/05/2012 03:33:48 PM 723 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" Datakim - 20/05/2012 06:54:40 AM 628 Views
Well, Elza did somehow... Voscaia Sedai - 20/05/2012 11:04:56 AM 632 Views
It happened off screen darius_sedai - 20/05/2012 03:44:40 PM 635 Views
Re: It happened off screen Datakim - 21/05/2012 01:45:26 PM 616 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion DomA - 19/05/2012 12:05:32 AM 927 Views
And lets not forget that Egwene knows to counter compulsion... fionwe1987 - 19/05/2012 01:13:39 AM 695 Views
The Headaches Knightscape - 19/05/2012 04:47:23 AM 685 Views
I always thought the headaches were just something Aran'gar did to get close to Egwene darius_sedai - 19/05/2012 04:10:32 PM 627 Views
Re: The Headaches DomA - 19/05/2012 05:12:26 PM 752 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion Datakim - 20/05/2012 06:37:23 AM 628 Views
Like I said before... fionwe1987 - 20/05/2012 07:30:58 PM 662 Views
Re: Like I said before... Knightscape - 20/05/2012 08:57:17 PM 566 Views
Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things darius_sedai - 21/05/2012 03:13:12 AM 549 Views
Re: Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things Datakim - 21/05/2012 01:32:30 PM 621 Views
No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary darius_sedai - 21/05/2012 01:48:06 PM 651 Views
Re: No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary Datakim - 21/05/2012 01:57:44 PM 621 Views
Re: No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary DomA - 21/05/2012 02:44:09 PM 679 Views
Re: Like I said before... Datakim - 21/05/2012 01:21:34 PM 542 Views
Re: Like I said before... fionwe1987 - 21/05/2012 06:00:35 PM 691 Views
Seems logical to me, for whatever that is worth. Joel - 21/05/2012 07:28:11 PM 496 Views
Why bother? She's Egwene, and served the Shadow's end of her own free will Cannoli - 21/05/2012 11:13:26 PM 858 Views
Re: Why bother? She's Egwene, and served the Shadow's end of her own free will Sidious - 22/05/2012 08:22:46 AM 605 Views
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