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Re: Egwene under compulsion Datakim Send a noteboard - 18/05/2012 11:31:01 PM

Aran'gar seems like a relatively unskilled channeler and would not be able to pull off Compulsion on Egwene without causing significant destruction to her own plans. Masema is an example of a compelled person - he's feral in his desire to perform a command and it shows. We've had Egwene's PoV and there are no indications of Compulsion or her struggle to battle an abberant thought. When Moghedien used Compulsion on Nynaeve, we could see Nynaeve's internal struggle.


We did see Aran'gar use compulsion on Ramshalan at Graendals request in ToM. And Ramshalan did act pretty normal after that, suggesting that Aran'gar is not totally incompetent when it comes to compulsion. Granted, Rand balefired her pretty quick so we did not get to view Ramshalans behaviour for long, but Graendal atleast thought that Aran'gar was skilled enough to construct complex and convoluted compulsions and Graendal would presumably know best.

I don't think it would make sense for there to be any major compulsions in Egwenes mind (since as you say, there is no struggle), but I could see there being subtle commands there that are affecting her judgement.

Things like:
- Oaths are important and vital to beind an Aes Sedai (benefit of reduced combat ability against human darkfriends)
- The Dragon Reborn/Asha'man are dangerous and should be distrusted (obvious benefit)
- Enhanced fear of Seanchan so Egwene won't send sisers away from the tower to fight the trollocs in the borderlands but will keep them in Tar Valon to protect the tower.
- And so on. Basically, just enhancing thoughts/emotions already present might have helped shadow in some ways. Even very weak compulsions like the ones Verin used can have significant effect.

There is also the possibility of somekind of hidden trigger in her mind that is dormant and waiting, so if Aran'gar says/does something, that hidden compulsion kicks in to do something. Thoug I am unsure if this kind of "post-hypnotic suggestion" is possible with compulsion.
This message last edited by Datakim on 18/05/2012 at 11:34:27 PM
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I think you are misunderstanding what I meant - 18/05/2012 04:22:38 PM 755 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion - 18/05/2012 11:31:01 PM 912 Views
Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 18/05/2012 11:47:44 PM 703 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 19/05/2012 12:31:10 AM 914 Views
Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. - 19/05/2012 12:44:27 AM 683 Views
Re: Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. - 20/05/2012 07:01:23 AM 790 Views
Fair point on Ishamael - 20/05/2012 03:36:32 PM 825 Views
Re: Fair point on Ishamael - 21/05/2012 01:56:30 PM 826 Views
You are over simplifying it I think - 21/05/2012 03:33:48 PM 824 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 20/05/2012 06:54:40 AM 746 Views
Well, Elza did somehow... - 20/05/2012 11:04:56 AM 741 Views
It happened off screen - 20/05/2012 03:44:40 PM 740 Views
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And lets not forget that Egwene knows to counter compulsion... - 19/05/2012 01:13:39 AM 802 Views
The Headaches - 19/05/2012 04:47:23 AM 788 Views
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Re: Egwene under compulsion - 20/05/2012 06:37:23 AM 759 Views
Like I said before... - 20/05/2012 07:30:58 PM 763 Views
Re: Like I said before... - 20/05/2012 08:57:17 PM 681 Views
Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things - 21/05/2012 03:13:12 AM 644 Views
Re: Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things - 21/05/2012 01:32:30 PM 722 Views
No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 01:48:06 PM 759 Views
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Re: No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 02:44:09 PM 788 Views
Re: Like I said before... - 21/05/2012 01:21:34 PM 638 Views
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Seems logical to me, for whatever that is worth. - 21/05/2012 07:28:11 PM 621 Views

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