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Re: Everything I've read keeps me convinced that Graendal was supposed to die. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 15/05/2012 08:13:24 PM
Her dying doesn't feel right, but I totally agree it feels like her next arc feels like Brandon gave her a reprieve she wasn't meant to have originally.

Her death would have undermined the whole "Rand is falling in madness" arc, her survival amplified how far gone Rand's mind was. Rand plan just wasn't rational: risking the Pattern to get rid of Graendal? Not all the Forsaken combined are worth that. Nothing should be. He was of course oblivious to his own insanity, but Graendal wasn't - he brought the bloody AK to the CK for the confrontation, it's like bringing a nuclear missile to get rid of one mouse (actually, it's even worse - its a true doomsday weapon which can destroy the world). The thing terrified LTT.

I think this was still her exit from the series, though. I'm not 100% convinced, but fairly convinced. Of course, Brandon ruined the amplification effect by moving her survival scene to TOM, but a lot of that happened as "unforeseen consequences" of the book split.


I don't know that her survival actually changed the gravitas of Rand's insanity - even if she did die, she's pretty inconsequential compared to the potential destruction of reality, which is of course exactly why Moridin told Rand how to kill her. Of course, I'm not against Graendal's survival as such, I just don't believe she was supposed to. I'm pretty sure Aran'gar was the one supposed to go after Perrin. It just seems that after all the build up with the Rebels, it feels strange for her to go away without a confrontation, and then be killed off completely casually. Also, there's that male channeler who used the Portal Stone. I don't understand why, if that was just some corrupt Asha'man, they didn't bring enough to actually participate in the battle.

Of course, I have no idea how the timelines were supposed to go. If the attack on Perrin happened before the destruction of Natrin's Barrow, then Aran'gar could have fled there after her failure and then the scene could play out as it did. But I certainly feel something was missing with Aran'gar.
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