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Exactly... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 13/05/2012 05:53:17 PM

I'm kind of shocked that anyone thinks that Egwene is in for a fall in the last book. She's going to be one of the principle protagonists.

Just because she doesn't agree with Rand doesn't mean she's in for the plunge. That's a very simplistic way of looking at her character.

The list of people who disagreed with Rand includes Nynaeve, Min, Aviendha, Elayne, Cadsuane, Lan, Moiraine, Perrin... are we sensing a Pattern here yet?

We know for a fact that there have been previous turnings where the Pattern has set a counter to the Dragon soul. That counter was Hawkwing, who has worked with the Dragon as many times as he has opposed him.

What people don't seem to get is that opposition to the Dragon is not a sign of evil.

I'm not saying that Egwene's soul is also a counter the Wheel has used many times (I don't think she's LPD reborn, for example). But she certainly is being used as such at this point. And she has several Parallels with Hawkwing, too.

What mystifies me is that these people don't seem to pick on the respect Egwene and Rand display for each other in ToM. Are they set on a collision course? Sure. Are they exasperated by each other? Sure. Do they show respect for what the other has become? Yes!

These aren't rivals in a power play. These are allies who disagree. FoM is going to be nowhere close to the acrimonious battle of wills so many people are expects (even hoping).

And all signs point to them soon learning to work together, and Egwene being involved in Rand's "death". In many ways, the Seals debate is a distraction. I'm not even entirely sure Brandon didn't invent it to give a convenient end point to ToM, and that the real FoM debate was supposed to be about the Seanchan and the Dragon's Peace.
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The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. Nate - 03/05/2012 03:52:14 PM 5010 Views
It's pretty damn cool. Stephen - 03/05/2012 03:59:36 PM 2659 Views
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the pit of doom is hot alanna aes sedai - 12/06/2012 01:57:18 AM 2257 Views
I think I like Callandor from TDR better.. Tweak - 03/05/2012 04:26:42 PM 2810 Views
yes. I sincerely doubt she has that kind of competency LadyLorraine - 03/05/2012 05:52:22 PM 2673 Views
Re: I think I like Callandor from TDR better.. Vidarfe - 04/05/2012 11:10:49 AM 2523 Views
Heh - Cannoli-baiting *NM* HousealThor - 04/05/2012 04:46:51 PM 1982 Views
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Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. Bored - 03/05/2012 05:06:19 PM 2424 Views
I really like it LadyLorraine - 03/05/2012 05:54:51 PM 2710 Views
The sword grip is not akward or wrong HyogaRott - 03/05/2012 06:20:54 PM 2441 Views
something like this? guttering flame - 03/05/2012 06:46:59 PM 3023 Views
well, for one, I didn't say it was "wrong" so don't jump down my throat. LadyLorraine - 04/05/2012 10:03:06 PM 2582 Views
If you think that was jumping down your throat... seriously... *NM* HyogaRott - 07/05/2012 01:51:45 PM 2111 Views
when I initially read it, it came off that way. I apologize if I misinterpreted you. *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/05/2012 04:58:13 PM 2053 Views
Its the sword thats not a sword (its a night light!) djwilson300 - 04/05/2012 04:47:27 PM 2443 Views
oh no fair enough! like i said, I just think it looks a little awkward. LadyLorraine - 04/05/2012 10:04:21 PM 2398 Views
Me, too! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/05/2012 01:18:06 AM 2502 Views
Well... DomA - 03/05/2012 06:09:51 PM 2809 Views
I think it is EG and Nyn HyogaRott - 03/05/2012 06:24:13 PM 2499 Views
Pretty sure it's Mo and Nyn NaClH2O - 03/05/2012 06:40:49 PM 2539 Views
Yeah... DomA - 03/05/2012 07:55:32 PM 2453 Views
when did Nynaeve cut her hair? Onarishma - 08/05/2012 07:33:04 PM 4032 Views
It was burned off during her testing for the shawl. alanna aes sedai - 12/06/2012 02:53:43 AM 3195 Views
Egwene is a distinct possibility... fionwe1987 - 03/05/2012 11:37:48 PM 2591 Views
She is DomA - 04/05/2012 12:15:21 AM 2695 Views
I don't know... fionwe1987 - 04/05/2012 12:25:53 AM 2409 Views
Re: I don't know... DomA - 04/05/2012 02:47:02 AM 2593 Views
I'm not disagreeing with most of that... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2012 02:58:53 AM 2294 Views
"You expect me to wise up?" "No, Egwene, I expect you to DIE!" Joel - 11/05/2012 01:36:09 AM 2516 Views
What books have you been reading? fionwe1987 - 11/05/2012 01:57:31 AM 2544 Views
Egwene made many things "clear;" I dug up all the ToM quotes for a post near this time last year Joel - 11/05/2012 01:12:05 PM 2353 Views
I agree DomA - 11/05/2012 02:51:38 PM 2643 Views
The other quotes you requested, as promised. Joel - 13/05/2012 03:29:41 AM 2611 Views
You misinterpreting quotes is hardly worth requoting... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2012 11:36:21 AM 2307 Views
Agreed Sidious - 13/05/2012 03:39:12 PM 2416 Views
Exactly... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2012 05:53:17 PM 2373 Views
Never said she was evil, just wrong. Horribly and tragically wrong. Joel - 14/05/2012 02:34:27 AM 2402 Views
fionwe1987 - 14/05/2012 04:23:21 AM 2334 Views
Re- Joel - 21/05/2012 02:43:49 AM 2802 Views
Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. Joel - 14/05/2012 02:21:42 AM 2415 Views
Then she wouldn't be a "protagonist" fionwe1987 - 14/05/2012 04:38:34 AM 2356 Views
Again, I never said she is or will become evil. Joel - 21/05/2012 03:03:32 AM 2518 Views
Re: Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. Sidious - 14/05/2012 08:32:50 AM 2462 Views
Re: Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. Joel - 21/05/2012 03:28:48 AM 2298 Views
For the most part, very little interpretation was required. Joel - 14/05/2012 01:58:26 AM 2495 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. fionwe1987 - 14/05/2012 03:51:31 AM 2701 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. DomA - 14/05/2012 06:41:32 AM 2475 Views
Yeah... fionwe1987 - 14/05/2012 07:47:16 AM 2497 Views
Re: Yeah... DomA - 14/05/2012 04:40:49 PM 2530 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. Joel - 21/05/2012 06:21:48 AM 2430 Views
Look at their foreheads Tor - 16/05/2012 08:38:51 AM 2541 Views
Re: I think it is EG and Nyn DomA - 03/05/2012 07:38:36 PM 2495 Views
I could be wrong, but I believe Rand used Calandor as a sword in the Stone. HyogaRott - 03/05/2012 08:06:45 PM 2311 Views
I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too Sidious - 03/05/2012 09:05:58 PM 2332 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too DomA - 03/05/2012 11:28:42 PM 2482 Views
Idea Timthetrolloc - 04/05/2012 10:11:05 AM 2473 Views
Re: Idea Vidarfe - 04/05/2012 12:09:17 PM 2461 Views
Or.... Artsapat - 04/05/2012 12:19:16 PM 2350 Views
This would explain the hidden hand PatAtt - 04/05/2012 08:54:00 PM 2491 Views
That's a good point. Nate - 04/05/2012 08:59:41 PM 2619 Views
Nah... HyogaRott - 07/05/2012 01:56:13 PM 2541 Views
Can you draw a blade guttering flame - 08/05/2012 06:00:28 AM 2471 Views
It depens on the construction of the scabbard HyogaRott - 10/05/2012 01:36:30 PM 2389 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too Sidious - 04/05/2012 02:49:51 PM 1552 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too DomA - 04/05/2012 07:42:12 PM 2578 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too Sidious - 07/05/2012 08:02:26 PM 2370 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too DomA - 07/05/2012 09:32:45 PM 2609 Views
Thanks! *NM* Sidious - 13/05/2012 10:56:06 AM 2340 Views
I actually found the champion/politician split between parallels very convincing. Joel - 11/05/2012 01:35:34 PM 2489 Views
Re: I actually found the champion/politician split between parallels very convincing. DomA - 11/05/2012 04:06:50 PM 2266 Views
Egwene-Mat... fionwe1987 - 11/05/2012 09:05:07 PM 2381 Views
Re: Egwene-Mat... DomA - 12/05/2012 05:31:29 AM 2704 Views
Egwenes problem is her knack for seeing the error of her ways without ever LEARNING it. Joel - 13/05/2012 04:57:27 AM 2659 Views
The Seanchan assassin... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2012 11:47:53 AM 2304 Views
You do realize she drew her own (false but firm) conclusions based on a dearth of data. Again. Joel - 14/05/2012 02:08:26 AM 2350 Views
Re: You do realize she drew her own (false but firm) conclusions based on a dearth of data. Again. fionwe1987 - 14/05/2012 04:08:11 AM 2384 Views
Re: You do realize she drew her own (false but firm) conclusions based on a dearth of data. Again. Joel - 21/05/2012 01:59:15 AM 2413 Views
looks a little 'naughty pirate novel' but is pretty fricken awesome! *NM* Yunalesca - 03/05/2012 06:50:42 PM 1934 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. Gartax - 03/05/2012 07:25:37 PM 2347 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. Nate - 03/05/2012 07:36:09 PM 2472 Views
It's his left hand Rand lost *NM* DomA - 03/05/2012 08:00:01 PM 1926 Views
Thanks for the imput! *NM* Gartax - 03/05/2012 08:24:59 PM 2299 Views
I does not look like Nynaeve and Moiraine Skeeve the Great - 03/05/2012 11:39:01 PM 2416 Views
Nynaeve has cut her braid and has her hair shoulder length in TOM.... DomA - 03/05/2012 11:44:50 PM 2559 Views
Re: Nynaeve has cut her braid and has her hair shoulder length in TOM.... Skeeve the Great - 03/05/2012 11:51:02 PM 3400 Views
Am I the only one who sees the red dot in her forehead? *NM* Milla - 09/05/2012 08:36:53 PM 1958 Views
looks *$%$%*@ great *NM* mogi67 - 04/05/2012 02:47:00 AM 2035 Views
i quite like it! as far as the women go... wolfsister - 04/05/2012 06:38:10 PM 2553 Views
No Maidens of the Spear Knightscape - 05/05/2012 05:09:27 PM 2544 Views
Re: No Maidens of the Spear HyogaRott - 07/05/2012 02:02:36 PM 2649 Views
nynaeve with no braid?.... are we sure its not egwene? or did no one tell him the hairstyles? *NM* Onarishma - 08/05/2012 06:48:49 PM 1840 Views
Nyn cut her braid off. *NM* Artsapat - 08/05/2012 06:55:02 PM 2085 Views
I thought it was burned off during her test for Aes Sedaihood. *NM* guttering flame - 08/05/2012 07:25:51 PM 945 Views
Right, my mistake. Then she cut her hair to make it straight again. *NM* Artsapat - 08/05/2012 08:54:33 PM 1978 Views
I don't remember this at all *NM* Onarishma - 08/05/2012 07:51:04 PM 2075 Views
Regarding the identities of the women on the back: Nate - 09/05/2012 08:52:47 PM 2659 Views
What the hell is on the ground close to the bottom edge of the picture? *NM* Skeeve the Great - 10/05/2012 05:55:07 AM 2013 Views
A misplaced logo? *NM* guttering flame - 10/05/2012 08:24:52 AM 1948 Views
Possibly one of the Seals? Joel - 11/05/2012 01:42:13 AM 2453 Views
It's Michael Whelan's signature. I looked it up and found it in a different book cover *NM* Deadsy - 11/05/2012 07:05:22 AM 1943 Views
agreed Sidious - 10/05/2012 07:16:39 AM 2535 Views
Partially concur HyogaRott - 10/05/2012 01:17:31 PM 2315 Views
She's in the Pit of F*ing Doom. Ben Stein would be excited *NM* Deadsy - 12/05/2012 04:22:44 AM 898 Views
i agree with the big about how Moiraine should be depicted LadyLorraine - 12/05/2012 11:04:53 PM 1387 Views
you can see a second weapon in Rand's belt too Yunalesca - 13/05/2012 08:51:34 PM 1345 Views
That looks pretty cool, better than most of the other WoT covers A Deathwatch Guard - 26/06/2012 07:37:29 AM 1167 Views
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