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Exactly... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 13/05/2012 05:53:17 PM

I'm kind of shocked that anyone thinks that Egwene is in for a fall in the last book. She's going to be one of the principle protagonists.

Just because she doesn't agree with Rand doesn't mean she's in for the plunge. That's a very simplistic way of looking at her character.

The list of people who disagreed with Rand includes Nynaeve, Min, Aviendha, Elayne, Cadsuane, Lan, Moiraine, Perrin... are we sensing a Pattern here yet?

We know for a fact that there have been previous turnings where the Pattern has set a counter to the Dragon soul. That counter was Hawkwing, who has worked with the Dragon as many times as he has opposed him.

What people don't seem to get is that opposition to the Dragon is not a sign of evil.

I'm not saying that Egwene's soul is also a counter the Wheel has used many times (I don't think she's LPD reborn, for example). But she certainly is being used as such at this point. And she has several Parallels with Hawkwing, too.

What mystifies me is that these people don't seem to pick on the respect Egwene and Rand display for each other in ToM. Are they set on a collision course? Sure. Are they exasperated by each other? Sure. Do they show respect for what the other has become? Yes!

These aren't rivals in a power play. These are allies who disagree. FoM is going to be nowhere close to the acrimonious battle of wills so many people are expects (even hoping).

And all signs point to them soon learning to work together, and Egwene being involved in Rand's "death". In many ways, the Seals debate is a distraction. I'm not even entirely sure Brandon didn't invent it to give a convenient end point to ToM, and that the real FoM debate was supposed to be about the Seanchan and the Dragon's Peace.
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The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. Nate - 03/05/2012 03:52:14 PM 4933 Views
It's pretty damn cool. Stephen - 03/05/2012 03:59:36 PM 2580 Views
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the pit of doom is hot alanna aes sedai - 12/06/2012 01:57:18 AM 2177 Views
I think I like Callandor from TDR better.. Tweak - 03/05/2012 04:26:42 PM 2729 Views
yes. I sincerely doubt she has that kind of competency LadyLorraine - 03/05/2012 05:52:22 PM 2599 Views
Re: I think I like Callandor from TDR better.. Vidarfe - 04/05/2012 11:10:49 AM 2449 Views
Heh - Cannoli-baiting *NM* HousealThor - 04/05/2012 04:46:51 PM 1951 Views
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Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. Bored - 03/05/2012 05:06:19 PM 2352 Views
I really like it LadyLorraine - 03/05/2012 05:54:51 PM 2627 Views
The sword grip is not akward or wrong HyogaRott - 03/05/2012 06:20:54 PM 2367 Views
something like this? guttering flame - 03/05/2012 06:46:59 PM 2938 Views
well, for one, I didn't say it was "wrong" so don't jump down my throat. LadyLorraine - 04/05/2012 10:03:06 PM 2505 Views
If you think that was jumping down your throat... seriously... *NM* HyogaRott - 07/05/2012 01:51:45 PM 2079 Views
when I initially read it, it came off that way. I apologize if I misinterpreted you. *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/05/2012 04:58:13 PM 2015 Views
Its the sword thats not a sword (its a night light!) djwilson300 - 04/05/2012 04:47:27 PM 2369 Views
oh no fair enough! like i said, I just think it looks a little awkward. LadyLorraine - 04/05/2012 10:04:21 PM 2313 Views
Me, too! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/05/2012 01:18:06 AM 2424 Views
Well... DomA - 03/05/2012 06:09:51 PM 2729 Views
I think it is EG and Nyn HyogaRott - 03/05/2012 06:24:13 PM 2414 Views
Pretty sure it's Mo and Nyn NaClH2O - 03/05/2012 06:40:49 PM 2465 Views
Yeah... DomA - 03/05/2012 07:55:32 PM 2374 Views
when did Nynaeve cut her hair? Onarishma - 08/05/2012 07:33:04 PM 3939 Views
It was burned off during her testing for the shawl. alanna aes sedai - 12/06/2012 02:53:43 AM 3117 Views
Egwene is a distinct possibility... fionwe1987 - 03/05/2012 11:37:48 PM 2521 Views
She is DomA - 04/05/2012 12:15:21 AM 2609 Views
I don't know... fionwe1987 - 04/05/2012 12:25:53 AM 2344 Views
Re: I don't know... DomA - 04/05/2012 02:47:02 AM 2510 Views
I'm not disagreeing with most of that... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2012 02:58:53 AM 2213 Views
"You expect me to wise up?" "No, Egwene, I expect you to DIE!" Joel - 11/05/2012 01:36:09 AM 2439 Views
What books have you been reading? fionwe1987 - 11/05/2012 01:57:31 AM 2463 Views
Egwene made many things "clear;" I dug up all the ToM quotes for a post near this time last year Joel - 11/05/2012 01:12:05 PM 2276 Views
I agree DomA - 11/05/2012 02:51:38 PM 2552 Views
The other quotes you requested, as promised. Joel - 13/05/2012 03:29:41 AM 2528 Views
You misinterpreting quotes is hardly worth requoting... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2012 11:36:21 AM 2233 Views
Agreed Sidious - 13/05/2012 03:39:12 PM 2334 Views
Exactly... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2012 05:53:17 PM 2300 Views
Never said she was evil, just wrong. Horribly and tragically wrong. Joel - 14/05/2012 02:34:27 AM 2354 Views
fionwe1987 - 14/05/2012 04:23:21 AM 2261 Views
Re- Joel - 21/05/2012 02:43:49 AM 2730 Views
Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. Joel - 14/05/2012 02:21:42 AM 2323 Views
Then she wouldn't be a "protagonist" fionwe1987 - 14/05/2012 04:38:34 AM 2286 Views
Again, I never said she is or will become evil. Joel - 21/05/2012 03:03:32 AM 2437 Views
Re: Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. Sidious - 14/05/2012 08:32:50 AM 2393 Views
Re: Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. Joel - 21/05/2012 03:28:48 AM 2228 Views
For the most part, very little interpretation was required. Joel - 14/05/2012 01:58:26 AM 2449 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. fionwe1987 - 14/05/2012 03:51:31 AM 2631 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. DomA - 14/05/2012 06:41:32 AM 2393 Views
Yeah... fionwe1987 - 14/05/2012 07:47:16 AM 2397 Views
Re: Yeah... DomA - 14/05/2012 04:40:49 PM 2456 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. Joel - 21/05/2012 06:21:48 AM 2370 Views
Look at their foreheads Tor - 16/05/2012 08:38:51 AM 2461 Views
Re: I think it is EG and Nyn DomA - 03/05/2012 07:38:36 PM 2418 Views
I could be wrong, but I believe Rand used Calandor as a sword in the Stone. HyogaRott - 03/05/2012 08:06:45 PM 2234 Views
I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too Sidious - 03/05/2012 09:05:58 PM 2266 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too DomA - 03/05/2012 11:28:42 PM 2402 Views
Idea Timthetrolloc - 04/05/2012 10:11:05 AM 2396 Views
Re: Idea Vidarfe - 04/05/2012 12:09:17 PM 2379 Views
Or.... Artsapat - 04/05/2012 12:19:16 PM 2262 Views
This would explain the hidden hand PatAtt - 04/05/2012 08:54:00 PM 2412 Views
That's a good point. Nate - 04/05/2012 08:59:41 PM 2537 Views
Nah... HyogaRott - 07/05/2012 01:56:13 PM 2469 Views
Can you draw a blade guttering flame - 08/05/2012 06:00:28 AM 2395 Views
It depens on the construction of the scabbard HyogaRott - 10/05/2012 01:36:30 PM 2313 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too Sidious - 04/05/2012 02:49:51 PM 1475 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too DomA - 04/05/2012 07:42:12 PM 2501 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too Sidious - 07/05/2012 08:02:26 PM 2322 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too DomA - 07/05/2012 09:32:45 PM 2534 Views
Thanks! *NM* Sidious - 13/05/2012 10:56:06 AM 2294 Views
I actually found the champion/politician split between parallels very convincing. Joel - 11/05/2012 01:35:34 PM 2408 Views
Re: I actually found the champion/politician split between parallels very convincing. DomA - 11/05/2012 04:06:50 PM 2185 Views
Egwene-Mat... fionwe1987 - 11/05/2012 09:05:07 PM 2283 Views
Re: Egwene-Mat... DomA - 12/05/2012 05:31:29 AM 2619 Views
Egwenes problem is her knack for seeing the error of her ways without ever LEARNING it. Joel - 13/05/2012 04:57:27 AM 2576 Views
The Seanchan assassin... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2012 11:47:53 AM 2232 Views
You do realize she drew her own (false but firm) conclusions based on a dearth of data. Again. Joel - 14/05/2012 02:08:26 AM 2268 Views
Re: You do realize she drew her own (false but firm) conclusions based on a dearth of data. Again. fionwe1987 - 14/05/2012 04:08:11 AM 2307 Views
Re: You do realize she drew her own (false but firm) conclusions based on a dearth of data. Again. Joel - 21/05/2012 01:59:15 AM 2327 Views
looks a little 'naughty pirate novel' but is pretty fricken awesome! *NM* Yunalesca - 03/05/2012 06:50:42 PM 1881 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. Gartax - 03/05/2012 07:25:37 PM 2274 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. Nate - 03/05/2012 07:36:09 PM 2388 Views
It's his left hand Rand lost *NM* DomA - 03/05/2012 08:00:01 PM 1892 Views
Thanks for the imput! *NM* Gartax - 03/05/2012 08:24:59 PM 2265 Views
I does not look like Nynaeve and Moiraine Skeeve the Great - 03/05/2012 11:39:01 PM 2345 Views
Nynaeve has cut her braid and has her hair shoulder length in TOM.... DomA - 03/05/2012 11:44:50 PM 2487 Views
Re: Nynaeve has cut her braid and has her hair shoulder length in TOM.... Skeeve the Great - 03/05/2012 11:51:02 PM 3327 Views
Am I the only one who sees the red dot in her forehead? *NM* Milla - 09/05/2012 08:36:53 PM 1927 Views
looks *$%$%*@ great *NM* mogi67 - 04/05/2012 02:47:00 AM 2003 Views
i quite like it! as far as the women go... wolfsister - 04/05/2012 06:38:10 PM 2475 Views
No Maidens of the Spear Knightscape - 05/05/2012 05:09:27 PM 2470 Views
Re: No Maidens of the Spear HyogaRott - 07/05/2012 02:02:36 PM 2568 Views
nynaeve with no braid?.... are we sure its not egwene? or did no one tell him the hairstyles? *NM* Onarishma - 08/05/2012 06:48:49 PM 1817 Views
Nyn cut her braid off. *NM* Artsapat - 08/05/2012 06:55:02 PM 2051 Views
I thought it was burned off during her test for Aes Sedaihood. *NM* guttering flame - 08/05/2012 07:25:51 PM 894 Views
Right, my mistake. Then she cut her hair to make it straight again. *NM* Artsapat - 08/05/2012 08:54:33 PM 1949 Views
I don't remember this at all *NM* Onarishma - 08/05/2012 07:51:04 PM 2041 Views
Regarding the identities of the women on the back: Nate - 09/05/2012 08:52:47 PM 2575 Views
What the hell is on the ground close to the bottom edge of the picture? *NM* Skeeve the Great - 10/05/2012 05:55:07 AM 1980 Views
A misplaced logo? *NM* guttering flame - 10/05/2012 08:24:52 AM 1919 Views
Possibly one of the Seals? Joel - 11/05/2012 01:42:13 AM 2386 Views
It's Michael Whelan's signature. I looked it up and found it in a different book cover *NM* Deadsy - 11/05/2012 07:05:22 AM 1907 Views
agreed Sidious - 10/05/2012 07:16:39 AM 2464 Views
Partially concur HyogaRott - 10/05/2012 01:17:31 PM 2270 Views
She's in the Pit of F*ing Doom. Ben Stein would be excited *NM* Deadsy - 12/05/2012 04:22:44 AM 869 Views
i agree with the big about how Moiraine should be depicted LadyLorraine - 12/05/2012 11:04:53 PM 1314 Views
you can see a second weapon in Rand's belt too Yunalesca - 13/05/2012 08:51:34 PM 1262 Views
That looks pretty cool, better than most of the other WoT covers A Deathwatch Guard - 26/06/2012 07:37:29 AM 1092 Views
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