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You misinterpreting quotes is hardly worth requoting... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 13/05/2012 11:36:21 AM
Though it seems you have already (re-)read them, since the post containing them was a response to one of your posts. Between this thread and that one, my answer to your question then and now is: I read the books, but clearly perceive what I read very differently than you do. Your (four) reference(s) last year to something in ToM that never actually happened is a good example. ;) Be'lal Reborn remains a long shot, but I think Egwene broken is even money, mainly because of my impression the way she has been written has not only set her up for an epic fall, but encouraged many fans to cheer for one.

Would you bet a thousand bucks, or even a beer, on that?

Only the totally obtuse and blind would refuse to see the role crafted for Egwene in the LB. That Illtempest loved you for that post should tell you something. This was the woman who thought Egwene would collar Rand with the male a'dam when he came to Tar Valon and make him use Callandor, lead the circle of three and defeat the Dark One, all the while making Rand her slave. Or some such bizarre notion.

Your own ideas, while more reasonable sounding, are equally absurd given the direction Jordan took with the character. If you need any proof for Egwene's great role in the next book, you only need to see Brandon Sanderson's quote that Egwene PoVs in aMoL are as numerous as for Perrin and Mat, and that this was unsurprising, since she was one of the main characters. She is clearly going to form a solid part of the next book, and given the high chance of TAR being involved with the finale, and also the myriad of foreshadowings that she will be asked to kill Rand, there's about no way she's dying before the very end, if then.

As for her as a leader, here is what Brandon had to say:

I was most fascinated with Egwene's progress as a leader through the entire series. And the things I was allowed to do because of what Jordan had done in Knife of Dreams and the set up in previous books, and then what was in the notes, was really exciting to me because she was able to come to encapsulate what a leader really is, I think. There are some great scenes in Gathering Storm that I got to be part of, where, you know, we've had Aes Sedai acting kind of as bullies, some of them. And we've had various people through various factions acting as bullies. And there has been this sense in the Wheel of Time that people believe that might makes right. And yet it doesn't, and the books imply that it doesn't. And Egwene is the first chance we've really got to see of someone with no might making an even better right.

Now, I'm not saying an authors opinion means you need to change your own, but this flies in the face of your idea that Jordan set Egwene up as the example of a bad leader, which will end with a spectacular fall from grace...

Consider this, too, for what its worth:

Loialson:
In Lord of Chaos, Nynaeve and Elayne searched for something that would tie the Salidar Aes Sedai to Rand via Need in Tel'aran'rhiod.

Need led them to three things. First it led them to the White Tower, (where Elayne glimpsed Egwene briefly), then Need shifted Nynaeve and Elayne to a locked storeroom within the White Tower (they thought that was useless). After that, Need led them to the Bowl of the Winds. My questions are regarding the first two things Need brought them to.

On the first thing, was Need bringing them to Egwene?

Brandon Sanderson:
I believe it was Egwene.


And:
Brandon Sanderson
PRK (7 APRIL 2012)
Brandon tried to get moments for every character in A Memory of Light. Egwene is ready to be bad ass in the Last Battle; her character development is done.


So, yeah, continue believing Egwene is headed for a fall and will soon die a broken woman. The author himself disagrees, and the books do too, but none of those has ever stopped a dedicated hater of Egwene before...
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The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. - 03/05/2012 03:52:14 PM 5021 Views
It's pretty damn cool. - 03/05/2012 03:59:36 PM 2670 Views
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the pit of doom is hot - 12/06/2012 01:57:18 AM 2269 Views
I think I like Callandor from TDR better.. - 03/05/2012 04:26:42 PM 2823 Views
yes. I sincerely doubt she has that kind of competency - 03/05/2012 05:52:22 PM 2685 Views
Re: I think I like Callandor from TDR better.. - 04/05/2012 11:10:49 AM 2536 Views
Heh - Cannoli-baiting *NM* - 04/05/2012 04:46:51 PM 1988 Views
*NM* - 05/05/2012 09:04:15 PM 1908 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. - 03/05/2012 05:06:19 PM 2436 Views
I really like it - 03/05/2012 05:54:51 PM 2720 Views
The sword grip is not akward or wrong - 03/05/2012 06:20:54 PM 2451 Views
something like this? - 03/05/2012 06:46:59 PM 3038 Views
Its the sword thats not a sword (its a night light!) - 04/05/2012 04:47:27 PM 2452 Views
oh no fair enough! like i said, I just think it looks a little awkward. - 04/05/2012 10:04:21 PM 2411 Views
Me, too! - 12/05/2012 01:18:06 AM 2517 Views
Well... - 03/05/2012 06:09:51 PM 2817 Views
I think it is EG and Nyn - 03/05/2012 06:24:13 PM 2513 Views
Pretty sure it's Mo and Nyn - 03/05/2012 06:40:49 PM 2550 Views
Yeah... - 03/05/2012 07:55:32 PM 2466 Views
when did Nynaeve cut her hair? - 08/05/2012 07:33:04 PM 4054 Views
It was burned off during her testing for the shawl. - 12/06/2012 02:53:43 AM 3210 Views
Egwene is a distinct possibility... - 03/05/2012 11:37:48 PM 2600 Views
She is - 04/05/2012 12:15:21 AM 2705 Views
I don't know... - 04/05/2012 12:25:53 AM 2422 Views
Re: I don't know... - 04/05/2012 02:47:02 AM 2614 Views
I'm not disagreeing with most of that... - 08/05/2012 02:58:53 AM 2309 Views
"You expect me to wise up?" "No, Egwene, I expect you to DIE!" - 11/05/2012 01:36:09 AM 2530 Views
What books have you been reading? - 11/05/2012 01:57:31 AM 2560 Views
I agree - 11/05/2012 02:51:38 PM 2666 Views
The other quotes you requested, as promised. - 13/05/2012 03:29:41 AM 2621 Views
You misinterpreting quotes is hardly worth requoting... - 13/05/2012 11:36:21 AM 2321 Views
Agreed - 13/05/2012 03:39:12 PM 2427 Views
Exactly... - 13/05/2012 05:53:17 PM 2385 Views
Never said she was evil, just wrong. Horribly and tragically wrong. - 14/05/2012 02:34:27 AM 2418 Views
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Re- - 21/05/2012 02:43:49 AM 2824 Views
Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. - 14/05/2012 02:21:42 AM 2426 Views
Then she wouldn't be a "protagonist" - 14/05/2012 04:38:34 AM 2367 Views
Again, I never said she is or will become evil. - 21/05/2012 03:03:32 AM 2532 Views
Re: Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. - 14/05/2012 08:32:50 AM 2479 Views
Re: Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. - 21/05/2012 03:28:48 AM 2313 Views
For the most part, very little interpretation was required. - 14/05/2012 01:58:26 AM 2507 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. - 14/05/2012 03:51:31 AM 2724 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. - 14/05/2012 06:41:32 AM 2495 Views
Yeah... - 14/05/2012 07:47:16 AM 2508 Views
Re: Yeah... - 14/05/2012 04:40:49 PM 2542 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. - 21/05/2012 06:21:48 AM 2458 Views
Look at their foreheads - 16/05/2012 08:38:51 AM 2556 Views
Re: I think it is EG and Nyn - 03/05/2012 07:38:36 PM 2508 Views
I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too - 03/05/2012 09:05:58 PM 2341 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too - 03/05/2012 11:28:42 PM 2494 Views
Idea - 04/05/2012 10:11:05 AM 2487 Views
Re: Idea - 04/05/2012 12:09:17 PM 2472 Views
Or.... - 04/05/2012 12:19:16 PM 2361 Views
This would explain the hidden hand - 04/05/2012 08:54:00 PM 2502 Views
That's a good point. - 04/05/2012 08:59:41 PM 2633 Views
Nah... - 07/05/2012 01:56:13 PM 2554 Views
Can you draw a blade - 08/05/2012 06:00:28 AM 2482 Views
It depens on the construction of the scabbard - 10/05/2012 01:36:30 PM 2400 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too - 04/05/2012 02:49:51 PM 1562 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too - 04/05/2012 07:42:12 PM 2598 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too - 07/05/2012 08:02:26 PM 2380 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too - 07/05/2012 09:32:45 PM 2620 Views
Thanks! *NM* - 13/05/2012 10:56:06 AM 2351 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. - 03/05/2012 07:25:37 PM 2357 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. - 03/05/2012 07:36:09 PM 2486 Views
It's his left hand Rand lost *NM* - 03/05/2012 08:00:01 PM 1931 Views
Thanks for the imput! *NM* - 03/05/2012 08:24:59 PM 2302 Views
I does not look like Nynaeve and Moiraine - 03/05/2012 11:39:01 PM 2429 Views
Nynaeve has cut her braid and has her hair shoulder length in TOM.... - 03/05/2012 11:44:50 PM 2582 Views
Re: Nynaeve has cut her braid and has her hair shoulder length in TOM.... - 03/05/2012 11:51:02 PM 3412 Views
Am I the only one who sees the red dot in her forehead? *NM* - 09/05/2012 08:36:53 PM 1962 Views
looks *$%$%*@ great *NM* - 04/05/2012 02:47:00 AM 2040 Views
i quite like it! as far as the women go... - 04/05/2012 06:38:10 PM 2568 Views
No Maidens of the Spear - 05/05/2012 05:09:27 PM 2552 Views
Re: No Maidens of the Spear - 07/05/2012 02:02:36 PM 2663 Views
nynaeve with no braid?.... are we sure its not egwene? or did no one tell him the hairstyles? *NM* - 08/05/2012 06:48:49 PM 1843 Views
Nyn cut her braid off. *NM* - 08/05/2012 06:55:02 PM 2089 Views
I thought it was burned off during her test for Aes Sedaihood. *NM* - 08/05/2012 07:25:51 PM 951 Views
I don't remember this at all *NM* - 08/05/2012 07:51:04 PM 2079 Views
Regarding the identities of the women on the back: - 09/05/2012 08:52:47 PM 2684 Views
What the hell is on the ground close to the bottom edge of the picture? *NM* - 10/05/2012 05:55:07 AM 2017 Views
A misplaced logo? *NM* - 10/05/2012 08:24:52 AM 1953 Views
Possibly one of the Seals? - 11/05/2012 01:42:13 AM 2466 Views
agreed - 10/05/2012 07:16:39 AM 2545 Views
Partially concur - 10/05/2012 01:17:31 PM 2325 Views
She's in the Pit of F*ing Doom. Ben Stein would be excited *NM* - 12/05/2012 04:22:44 AM 904 Views
i agree with the big about how Moiraine should be depicted - 12/05/2012 11:04:53 PM 1398 Views
you can see a second weapon in Rand's belt too - 13/05/2012 08:51:34 PM 1356 Views
That looks pretty cool, better than most of the other WoT covers - 26/06/2012 07:37:29 AM 1178 Views

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