Re: I actually found the champion/politician split between parallels very convincing. - Edit 1
Before modification by DomA at 11/05/2012 04:30:29 PM
Maybe my old (well, dating back partly to TGS and partly to TOM, but I have like half a dozen contradictory ones) theory that Rand is using Callandor as a foil may be right, ie: he doesn't bring Callandor to use it, he brings Callandor so Shaidar Haran thinks he's gonna use it and seizes it. "Mwahh, ah, ah... just three of you and intending to touch me again, but allowing me to touch saidar too this time, you really thought this through!", then Rand does something, perhaps to Callandor instead of with Callandor, or something while Shaidar Haran uses Callandor (it it turns out the reason why it magnifies the taint is that unlike other san'angreal this one would work with the TP - kind of a long-shot, but its making is shabby. Could RJ have kept to himself there was also sabotage involved?).
I'm half serious with this (in the sense that's obviously missing a crucial element somewhere that could make it a viable theory - I get the feeling it would be really hard to figure it out anyway as I'm convinced RJ kept a key concept or key element from us at this point), but Min did had a viewing of a black (or dark) hand holding Callandor, so it's something the Light could anticipate happening.
I'm half serious with this (in the sense that's obviously missing a crucial element somewhere that could make it a viable theory - I get the feeling it would be really hard to figure it out anyway as I'm convinced RJ kept a key concept or key element from us at this point), but Min did had a viewing of a black (or dark) hand holding Callandor, so it's something the Light could anticipate happening.
Many people think that it refers to Moridin, but it could be any darkened hand... SH, Demandred, even Taim. I still stick by my original theory that the True Power is the secret to sealing the Bore. It is the only power that can deflect a retaliation by the Dark One. Moridin never planned to cross balefire with Rand, and I refuse to believe that Rand's ability to draw on the TP comes down to a coincidental accident at SL that the Shadow took advantage of. There's a greater purpose for his connection to Moridin. Maybe it only has to do with soul transfer at the last second, but it could very well be that the TP provides the mechanism for success. Maybe Rand won't use it directly, but he can perhaps give Moridin/SH such a fright that he buys some time to strike with finality.
I wonder if what's look like it could be a dagger at his side is a dagger, the dragon scepter or else if it could be the dagger-shaped ter'angreal that's supposed to hide someone from the Shadow. The possibilities for that one being used in another episode than at SG are not exhausted, but the possibilities have run out a little since Mat and Elayne are done with the gholam. I guess it could still be very useful to Mat during the LB if neither SH/the DO nor Shadowspawn can't see or sense him in any way (I doubt this works on human sworn to the DO like Forsaken).
I've also wondered whether that dagger will return, though I think it's cheating a bit. Surprise! Not really the Dragon's style, but I guess winning is winning.
I know the cover art don't prove anything but it at least made me think of this idea: Rand and Moraine/Nynaeve don't look one bit as if they've just seen battle. I guess there's really a possibility they are alone and there's no gigantic battle raging outside in the Valley as there was during LTT's Strike, that those three are there alone, or sneaked up there while Mat organize a diversion at the mouth of the valley, far from the mountain itself.
Indeed, though making them seem haggard would be a bit strange in a book dedicated to Rand's victory. That said, I think they will fight as arduously as their friends. I'm pretty sure Rand will personally kill some of the Forsaken, Nynaeve seems to be on a collision course with Graendal, and Moiraine's angreal has an obvious purpose. It does seem, however, that Rand will break away with the two women at some point and Travel to SG to finish it. There is something missing as you say, but Rand will tell us about that in due course.
Another little detail to which you will know the answer for sure (though I suspect I know it if I remember correctly a mention by Rhavin or Sammael): can Rand even lead in that circle or must one of the two women lead?
He cannot, it must be led by a woman. I find this to be a serious reason as to why this circle may not happen. I can't believe that Rand will merely be part of a circle and that Nynaeve, or worse Moiraine, will seal the DO away. He could lead the circle if he links with one of them, but then Callandor will remain unstable as it requires two women to stabilize the missing buffer.
Just saying, because we know Moiraine considers herself fairly weak/clumsy with at least two flows (Earth and Fire) and RJ described Nynaeve as very specialized and lacking in the other areas outside the healing weaves (though we know she can be fairly precise/delicate). Of course, at this point neither of them has any experience using saidin in a mixed gender circle either.
Unless it doesn't come down to the Power at all. It may be all about trust, and Rand more than hinted at it when he asked Nynaeve. Her strength and abilities had little to do with it. Even if it does come down to the Power, their role in a circle with him will merely be to stabilize Callandor, though one of them will have to lead. Moiraine is a poor choice if it comes down to skill and ability - she's one of the weakest Aes Sedai around and noticibly poor in Earth and Fire, which strengthens the theory that one of those women is Egwene, overall the most naturally talented female channelers around.
Another interesting tidbit: we might want to start considering new possibilities for how Alivia is supposed to help Rand die, since she's now ruled out as the second woman at the Pit.
Either Rand has already gone through death, or it's not at the Pit at all he will die. Always possible Alivia think of something that will inspire Rand, but she never striked me as much of a thinker and more like a doer...
Either Rand has already gone through death, or it's not at the Pit at all he will die. Always possible Alivia think of something that will inspire Rand, but she never striked me as much of a thinker and more like a doer...
I personally think this is one of those visions that will be rather underwhelming. It will come down to illusion and deception that will allow Alivia to fake Rand's death. Her knowledge of the Power is almost absent, so I find it unlikely she will perform something unbelievable like swapping Rand's soul or the like, unless she learns something rapidly in AMOL.
On another note, I have to agree with Fionwe about Egwene. I honestly think she's a closer parallel to Rand than Nynaeve was. Nynaeve has been the wild card of the series since the beginning. She was the one who didn't want to leave, she couldn't channel properly and she's got the unique Talent of Healing. She's a furious woman who's chosen marriage and struggles with duty.
Egwene and Rand have far more parallels. They both left the village together and voluntarily and both started on parallel destinies centered around leadership. Both were tutored by the Aiel, and grew to become some of the most skilled channelers alive. They are both strong in all the Powers which is exceedingly rare. They share a common affliction based on incarceration - Rand is claustrophobic due to the red ajah and Egwene because she was damane. They are both headstrong etc etc... I've never thought of Nynaeve/Rand as a team even though they worked together often. A lot of that pairing was centered around Nynaeve's power and because Egwene was absent and doing other things, but that is over and I think we're going to see the true alliance blooming for the second book. Yes, Nynaeve is going to be there, but I think Egwene and Rand for the first time are going to become an enormously powerful team.
I also agree with Fionwe that Egwene will take a personal role in the Last Battle. She's never shirked away from conflict, and even before Mesaana she tried to fight Aginor and she used the Power as a weapon against Couladin much to Moiraine's disapproval. Things have changed - she is the Amyrlin now and that is possibly irresponsible, but at the same time its also irrelevant because she's a human being fighting for survival in the great battle of an age against extinction. I think both of these aspects will play out. She's going to sit on a distant hill surrounded by the Hall commanding her armies, but at some stage everything will go to hell (thanks to Demandred, of this I am sure), and she will lead them all down into the center of the fray to battle. I find it unlikely to impossible that she's going to be a remote general and figurehead while every other main character is fighting and dying. She won't die, but she's going to show us a display similar to the one against the Seanchan.
Egwene is Latra Posae to Rands LTT, to such an extent we needed an explicit authors statement to eliminate the theory she is Latra Reborn. Different person then, but a very similar role; the prospect of either of them linking with Rand then passing control to him so he could cleanse saidin is inconceivable. Nynaeve does self-sacrifice very well; Egwene is better with martyrdom. That makes each of them good parallels to Rand, but to different aspects of his character. It certainly does not say much for Egwene that she is more like pre- and Nynaeve more like post-epiphany Rand.
Incidentally, I not only do not recall any authors statement Egwene will not die, and still consider it somewhat likely she will.
Also, the Arthurian parallels and abortive cover art argue Jordan did not mean to bait and switch on Rands death; Nicolas Foretelling pretty unambiguously states his mortally wounded body will be carried to Tar Valon just as Arthurs is in many versions of that legend. Fact is, Rand is already mortally wounded, twice over, surviving this long only because the respective sources of those wounds are trying to kill each other as energetically as him. The Many Worlds Hypothesis indisputably holds in Randland, but, although there are worlds where Rand fakes his death just as there are those where he is turned (yet the DO apparently remains bound; poor SOB literally CANNOT win) I do not believe the series represents either. I talk a lot about Jordan turning archetypes on their heads, but WoT is more about inverting than truly subverting tropes, altering rather than completely negating them. It is variations on a theme, not antithesis (the DO and Ishamael better represent the latter, hence they are the chief antagonists.)
Egwene is not "more like Rand pre-epiphany" and Nynaeve more like Rsnd post-epiphany. Egwene went through her own version of the epiphany in TGS, you simply appear to have missed that.
Egwene is already more like the role of Latra Posae post-Sealing, who stepped up as LTT's successor, ended divisions and kept what was left together against the Shadow (becoming the Shadar Nor) until the Breaking put an end to the efforts. She needs to be that leader even more, and much sooner than LPD. Rand is leaving her that place, she has to make the choice to take it, and not turn this into a debate over the issue of who should make the Champion's decisions. It's not contesting the wisdom of Rand's decision to break the seals right away that represents a threat to the Light, it's if Egwene falls into a "let's do nothing until we find a better way to handle this" logic that turned Latra into a force necessary for balance into one that simply blocked everything. Rand currently has no plan to seal the Bore, it may not be so wise to break the seals until he has one. He's rushing into things, pressured by the fact waiting too long the last time brought the Light to the breaking point, entrenched divisions, and left it very few options, all flawed. Rand and Egwene need to find the middleground. Rand is right the Light needs to take the initiative, Egwene is right to want to hear of his plans before she even considers he may be right to break the seals now. It won't sit well with Egwene and the rulers if Rand admits he still has no plan. Egwene just has to avoid making LPD's mistake of waiting for a "better plan" and stick to that while the world collapses, the Shadow almost wins and she still hesitated to go forward. Thankfully for the Light, Egwene as leader has very little of that aspect of Latra Posae, but she leads a force (the WT) who does have a lot of it ingrained in its culture, and who might advice Egwene to take the "better safe than sorry until we're just sorrry and there's no hope left for safety" direction. Forcing LTT to wait by blocking his path wasn't risk free and was very costly to the Light in the WOS (may well have cost them the AOL civilization), no more than his plan was risk free. Waiting too long is what needs to be avoided - at some point you just have to make a leap of faith, or you let the Shadow win by attrition.
The other thing Rand has also announced to a few lately is that he intends to focus on being the champion, meaning he can't combine LTT's political role as leader of the Light because he was the First Among the Servants, LTT's military role as the Light's General and come up with the best plan to seal the Bore. The military roles Rand no doubt intends to leave to Mat and others (this could even include rulers and their generals, like Elayne who rules the biggest national army and who is Green Ajah - and who might even soon recuperate Gareth Bryne to lead Andor's armies as his WT role will be superceded soon by the Captain-General of the Green Ajah and his student Gawyn is a natural leader - if not the wisest one in his Youngling days, who could possibly lead the warders and non-channelling forces of TV). Siuan has been pushed aside politically, placing her with Bryne in the "military entourage" including Mat/Elayne entourage would be fun. Egwene will own the political role, she will have to let Nyaneve be her envoy with Rand. I greatly suspect she will pick Elayne to be her her liaison with Mat and the État-major and Adelorna near her as her political advisor/commander in chief. Elayne is a very strong Green, but she's pregnant and will be confined to behind the lines.
In his political role, Rand will leave to Egwene for the channelers (with Logain in an important role but likely as a kind of Amyrlin-in-the-field keeping the male-female AS working together, not at Egwene's side as political leader as he totally lacks experience, not to mention his utter lack of diplomatic finesse. He's a charismatic field leader, not a politician. His conflict with Rand and his decisions seems to naturally throw him on Egwene's side, and he's learned to work with AS now), and I would predict, it's Perrin who'll rise as the central figure among the non-channeling rulers. Egwene and Perrin work well together, and their personalities and styles balance each other very well. Perrin has always been the EF boy Egwene respects most, the one of the trio she has the least conflicts with (and vice versa). Mat and Elayne have learned to work together, Mat and Rand can. Mat and Egwene can't, Mat and Nynaeve can't. Elayne and Nynaeve can, Elayne and Egwene not so much, but Elayne and Perrin now works. Perrin and Rand can work together well even if Egwene+Perrin works better still, Egwene and Rand not so well. Egwene and Perrin is a winning match. Mat and Elayne is a winning match, Nynaeve and Rand is a winning match. All the signs point to Moiraine and Rand becoming a winning match, but Nynaeve and Moiraine is hardly one and they'll have work to do. Aviendha and Nynaeve don't work so well even if they don't clash too much either, Aviendha and Elayne, Aviendha and Egwene work. Aviendha and Rand work better than it used to. There are great pairings, and there's always one in each pair able to serve as "bridge" to the other pairs.
Rand - Egwene conflict: potential bridges: Aviendha, Perrin, Moiraine.
Egwene - Elayne conflict: potential bridges: Aviendha, Perrin, Nynaeve, Gawyn eventually
Egwene - Mat conflict: bridges would incl. Elayne, Perrin
Nynaeve - Moiraine conflict: Rand, Lan
Etc.