"You know, as a Brown, I LOVES me some studying of things. Corele, be a dear and allow me to study your warder's method of Healing first hand, by subjecting myself to it. There are more than enough channelers in this combined entourage of Rand, Cadsuane and Logain to effect a voluntary severing so you can have Flinn Heal me and I can write a paper on it, me being a Brown and all..."
Bang. Verin is free of the Oaths to the Shadow and can reveal every single secret she has gleaned. No drama, no fuss, no dying before making sure someone passes on her warning about the invasion of Caemlyn.
And not even an excuse about the words she spoke still being binding on her even after the Oaths no longer affect her. Siuan made a promise to never tell a lie, and routinely and willingly violated it, no matter how great her moral qualms about breaking an Aes Sedai "principle." Not to mention committing an act of Oathbreaking and perjury by any legal standard or code of honor imaginable. Her obediance to the Three Oaths is like taking an oath of chastity after being locked in a cell away from human contact for 20 years, then jumping the first warm body she encountered after the door opened. Siuan violated the Oath which she seems to believe is a good and necessary thing, within MINUTES of her very first opportunity to do so. Don't tell me there is any way Verin could still be held to the provisions of an Oath taken under duress even in the most favorable interpretation of its validity.
The only flaw I could see in my idea is if somehow the precise wording of the Oath makes such a request on her part impossible. On the other hand, studying IS a legitimate motivation for her, and she should be able to put herself in just enough of a mindset to think "I really DO want to study the experience. There is no proof that I would betray the Great Lord once I am given the opportunity." If she can solicit, obtain and drink poison with the intention of slipping through the "hour of my death" clause, she could certainly induce someone to server her in order to free her from the Oaths to the Dark One.
Which leaves only the question of, how did RJ screw up? In the planning and execution of his solution for Verin, or by not leaving explicit enough notes to walk B-Sand through the scene?
Bang. Verin is free of the Oaths to the Shadow and can reveal every single secret she has gleaned. No drama, no fuss, no dying before making sure someone passes on her warning about the invasion of Caemlyn.
And not even an excuse about the words she spoke still being binding on her even after the Oaths no longer affect her. Siuan made a promise to never tell a lie, and routinely and willingly violated it, no matter how great her moral qualms about breaking an Aes Sedai "principle." Not to mention committing an act of Oathbreaking and perjury by any legal standard or code of honor imaginable. Her obediance to the Three Oaths is like taking an oath of chastity after being locked in a cell away from human contact for 20 years, then jumping the first warm body she encountered after the door opened. Siuan violated the Oath which she seems to believe is a good and necessary thing, within MINUTES of her very first opportunity to do so. Don't tell me there is any way Verin could still be held to the provisions of an Oath taken under duress even in the most favorable interpretation of its validity.
The only flaw I could see in my idea is if somehow the precise wording of the Oath makes such a request on her part impossible. On the other hand, studying IS a legitimate motivation for her, and she should be able to put herself in just enough of a mindset to think "I really DO want to study the experience. There is no proof that I would betray the Great Lord once I am given the opportunity." If she can solicit, obtain and drink poison with the intention of slipping through the "hour of my death" clause, she could certainly induce someone to server her in order to free her from the Oaths to the Dark One.
Which leaves only the question of, how did RJ screw up? In the planning and execution of his solution for Verin, or by not leaving explicit enough notes to walk B-Sand through the scene?
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
What if Verin was not such a drama queen?
08/05/2012 07:07:34 AM
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Does Verin know...
08/05/2012 07:35:18 AM
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That and there is a HUGE aversion to being stilled
08/05/2012 09:35:23 AM
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But do they prefer it to getting clean for an hour, before getting their next fix?
08/05/2012 03:34:06 PM
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Sashalle seems to have realized it, given her letter to the Ajah, so the datum is out there
08/05/2012 03:40:22 PM
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Re: Sashalle seems to have realized it, given her letter to the Ajah, so the datum is out there
09/05/2012 04:36:20 AM
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No way any Aes Sedai would have agreed to still Verin
08/05/2012 10:56:44 AM
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Re: No way any Aes Sedai would have agreed to still Verin
08/05/2012 03:01:09 PM
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Not to mention you can get around the spirit of the with some creative thinking
08/05/2012 03:44:03 PM
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Where was it said that stilling broke your oath to the dark one? I thought.....
08/05/2012 09:23:41 PM
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Re: Where was it said that stilling broke your oath to the dark one? I thought.....
08/05/2012 09:52:58 PM
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Amyco proved it
08/05/2012 11:01:51 PM
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Re: Amyco proved it
08/05/2012 11:18:04 PM
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She was the BA who Egwene stilled in Tear in TDR (it's Amico actually, I misspelled it)
08/05/2012 11:58:39 PM
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