Re: I always thought of the victory at the Eye as the Lights first big win in the series
guttering flame Send a noteboard - 30/04/2012 07:04:06 PM
I think the Shadow recovered way too fast from the events at the Eye for this to really count as "a big blow"
Actually the time gap between the unnatural winter in EoTW and the unnatural summer is pretty big. A whole winter passes between tGH and tDR so it's at least a year between the two unnatural season. What's more, unlike the winter the Bowl produced, the spring Rand brought was much more supernatural and unambiguously beneficial to humanity and the world. In the spread of hours or days at the most a year's worth of crops grew, the ecology returned to its natural course and no one drowned, say, in condensed spring thaw. The bowl was a supreme human achievement, the Eye-spring was nothing short of a miracle.
and it seems the last of those was telling Aginor about it or otherwise attract his attention to this pool of saidin in some way,
Robert Jordan said in one of his Q&A that Aginor and Balathamel found the eye by following the taint on Mat's dagger. Their unique state half in half out of the Bore let them see the Pattern from a godlike position.
But well... in the end there's just Rand's epiphany and the Cleansing of Saidin that are very obviously huge blows to the Shadow. I think we're very likely missing the real meaning of other events at this point to find a third event that really stand out. There's so many other events that played their part in placing the right people in the right place, hurting the Shadow's plans that it's near impossible to determine which one counts more than another. For example, the kidnapping of Tuon and Semirhage's capture largely put an end to centuries of efforts to manipulate the Seanchan for the Shadow's purpose and, it appears, prevent them from playing their true prophecized role in the Last Battle. But none of those events seem to be in the same league as the Cleansing and Epiphany. My guess is that for one or more events in that league, we have to wait for AMOL.
Two central turning points in the early series that lead to many of the subsequent victories are the visit to Shadar Logoth in EotW and the visit to Rhuidean in tSR.
Shadar Logoth prevented the Horn from disappearing into the Blight, gave Mat his luck, enabled the Cleansing of Saidin, split the group so each would grow into their own, mostly Perrin through his meeting with the wolves and Rand's meeting with Elayne and Loial.
Rhuidean gave Mat his place in the Pattern, Rand the memories and credentials to lead the Aiel (and much more in all likelihood), it gave Moiraine and Aviendah the visions to guide them down the path to victory, the tool to capture Asmodean and turn him into a tutor.
Biggest blows to the Shadow...
12/03/2012 07:15:32 PM
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13/03/2012 12:37:55 AM
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Those were the exact three I had first on my list. Good call. *NM*
13/03/2012 04:55:29 AM
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13/03/2012 04:51:32 AM
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14/03/2012 11:36:00 PM
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Another Concord...
15/03/2012 12:33:51 AM
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The LB started in the epilogue of TOM, if you ask me...
15/03/2012 04:24:43 PM
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This is a wonderful summary of what I feel the situation at Merrilor wil be and I wish I wrote this
29/04/2012 07:41:53 PM
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13/03/2012 08:03:59 PM
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I disagree on number three don't think it's broad enough
17/03/2012 02:53:08 PM
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I wonder if it was advertised though?
17/03/2012 04:25:23 PM
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I very much doubt it
17/03/2012 04:48:56 PM
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Re: I very much doubt it
17/03/2012 07:33:48 PM
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It's funny because I don't think the Forsaken have proven particularly effective either
17/03/2012 07:47:58 PM
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I think they've been pretty effective
19/03/2012 10:46:11 AM
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Yet they have done very little to move the grand plan forward
19/03/2012 11:51:59 PM
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What plan?
20/03/2012 08:18:40 AM
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I disagree ... The DO seems to have a plan and Moridin showed us he is following a prophesy
20/03/2012 01:05:40 PM
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Up until the very end of TGS, wasn't the plan to turn Rand/make him do the DO's job for him?
29/04/2012 07:46:04 PM
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Re: I very much doubt it
17/03/2012 09:59:15 PM
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Regarding Demandred
19/03/2012 11:11:22 AM
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Re: I disagree on number three don't think it's broad enough
17/03/2012 05:46:31 PM
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I always thought of the victory at the Eye as the Lights first big win in the series
17/03/2012 07:27:12 PM
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17/03/2012 09:16:08 PM
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Re: I always thought of the victory at the Eye as the Lights first big win in the series
30/04/2012 07:04:06 PM
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"Seemingly young girl"? Is she actually old or something? Maybe she's not a girl?
19/03/2012 01:39:12 AM
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Re: "Seemingly young girl"? Is she actually old or something? Maybe she's not a girl?
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Re: "Seemingly young girl"? Is she actually old or something? Maybe she's not a girl?
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