I don't think the trait is that simple as the four box diagram with the peas in a bio textbook
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 26/04/2012 01:38:32 AM
So, does anybody else find it weird that neither Rand's patrilineal ancestors (nor his mother, as Andor's requisite training in the White Tower would have undoubtedly detected even the potential to learn) nor his descendants through Aviendha after the first über-channeler generation could channel? None of them have the inevitable ability, and in some cases (Coumin, Ladalin) it is specifically mentioned that they could not even have been trained.
Only 3% at the best of times have the ability at all. It cannot be as simple as "both parents can channel, therefore the kids can" like blonde hair or blue eyes on those grade-school level explanations of heredity. Even for two channelers, the odds of a channeling child have to be slim. The uberchannelers would be unique, so who can explain what their rules were? Maybe the circumstances of their conception imparted the ability, rather than any hereditary factor. After all, if it was heredity, then Elayne's kids should have been even more likely than Aviendha's to get it, since their parents were equally as strong, and their maternal grandmother could channel too. As far as Rand's ancestors, at least one did have a son who had the ability, and some of them married Dreamwalkers and Wise Ones, some of whom might have carried an untutored ability, and then there is the point about the potential for training, which is supposed to include the vast majority of channelers. I can't imagine that failure to exploit a hereditary capacity excludes your descendants from inheriting it.
Also, men spark later. It can happen as late as thirty, which gives plenty of time to reproduce. My father didn't start a family until age 23, which would be a bit late for a preindustrial world, and his fifth child was conceived before his 31st birthday. Allowing a couple more years for him to notice the insanity and remove himself, and that's plenty of time for Rand's ancestors to A). Pass on their genes and B). die of the taint or try to kill Sightblinder or die something else in the Waste before anyone realizes he's a sparker.
Also, according to Verin, most wilders' initial tricks come in two categories, one of which is mild Compulsion. A young man or adolescent with such an ability would almost certainly have many more opportunities to pass on his genes, given the first thing that would pop into any teenager's mind when he realizes he can make people do what he wants.
Incidentally, how does the forward-seeing ability of the columns work? It's one thing when it looks to the past, since people only have one father or mother, but even in a deterministic universe, people can have multiple children. Why does Aviendha's vision follow Padra, and not Marinna?
Who says it did? Who was the mother of her grand-daughter who visited Andor? I don't recall any specific mention in the books, though Aiel customs being Aiel customs, she was very probably Padra's or Marinna's daughter, as the boys' children would feel as closely related to their fathers' parents. For all we know, the later generations could have been descended from different children. Or one of the girls didn't reproduce, and Aiel matrilineal preferences mean that the "line of the Dragon" only extends through the daughter who did, while the children of the sons would have been subsumed into their matrilineal lines.
Cannoli
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“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
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Deus Vult!
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25/04/2012 05:29:45 AM
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25/04/2012 05:14:52 PM
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Yeah, that was bothering me too.
25/04/2012 07:12:31 PM
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Yup ... Suppose the Moridin body switch theory would explain the dark hair
26/04/2012 12:28:42 AM
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25/04/2012 05:57:02 AM
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Yes, I wasn't claiming this was a plot hole or anything...
25/04/2012 06:06:53 AM
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Agreed that it is a rather strange twist and seems very sudden to happen within a generation
25/04/2012 11:15:09 AM
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25/04/2012 04:11:55 PM
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Well the Sharans seem to know as they breed channelers and kill the male offspring
26/04/2012 12:26:39 AM
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26/04/2012 01:42:19 AM
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I don't think the trait is that simple as the four box diagram with the peas in a bio textbook
26/04/2012 01:38:32 AM
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I don't think the trait is that simple as the four box diagram with the peas in a bio textbook
26/04/2012 01:39:05 AM
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Re: I don't think the trait is that simple as the four box diagram with the peas in a bio textbook
26/04/2012 02:17:17 AM
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True, but the odds of Channelers having children with the ability are vastly higher
26/04/2012 10:48:00 AM
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But in that very revelation, Nynaeve claims that "mother following daughter was rare"
27/04/2012 03:24:21 AM
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Re: I don't think the trait is that simple as the four box diagram with the peas in a bio textbook
26/04/2012 01:30:54 PM
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I believe there is a quote that the soul is only part of what determines the Channelers strength
27/04/2012 10:31:22 AM
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