Re: Yes, I wasn't claiming this was a plot hole or anything...
DomA Send a noteboard - 25/04/2012 03:49:08 PM
... just that I found it incredibly strange. From the columns we know that channeling is noticeably absent from Rand's ancestry in the patrilineal line, and from the Queens of Andor's relationship with the Tower and Elayne's status as first channeling Queen in however long, we can deduce that Rand also has no noticeable channeling ancestry in the purely matrilineal line. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be able to channel, as you point out, I just find that to be a peculiar choice on RJ's part since he intended channeling to be genetic.
He just didn't seem to care to make it obvious by having revealed channelers in Rand's lines just to drive the point home, knowing it wasn't necessary. For Rand's ancestors in the Rhuidean columns, it wouldn't have been meaningful as it's too far in time. Rand no doubt had many ancestors with two dominant genes, some of them married people who reintroduced one recessive. We already knew it was genetic at that point. It was an arbitrary choice from RJ in the end. He could have done it (and might have, but kept this hidden as the channeling ancestor was latent because it was a male), or he could decide an heterogenous pair was introduced recently in Rand's Aiel line.
For Tigraine's line that isn't so strange. The WT has probably weeded out the ability from most of the lines from Ishara (all those in the Great Houses anyway) by removing the women in the Great Houses with the ability and making them Aes Sedai. In the direct Royal line the fact they have not succeeded to produce a single learner or sparker since before Ishara's time suggests there's a lot of men and women with two dominant genes among the higher nobles of Andor and those with an hetoregenous pair are rare enough that two of those from one generation getting matched, both passing their recessive gene rather than one of them passing a dominant, and that they produce a daughter who lives to adulthood and whose ability will be found and not a boy in whom it will stay hidden is rather rare. That was Morgase's case, and she was lucky to also marry a man who had a least one recessive (perhaps even a pair, I don't recall if Jordan confirmed in a Q&A that Gawyn doesn't have the latent ability). Tigraine of course had an heterogenous pair, and Morgase has two recessive genes, but Taringail can be either, like his father for that matter. It's plausible the ability re-appears from time to time in the major lines of Andor mostly thanks to the fact it's not unknown for a high noble, even a powerful High Seat or even a Queen, to marry outside the lines to Ishara.
Obviously whatever produces the spark (another recessive gene?) is even rarer in the Andoran lines, as they were under AS scrutiny, and because for 3000 years the WT virtually removed all female sparkers from the gene pools (the rest they miss or cast out rarely marrying either) and the odds male sparkers anywhere lived long enough to produce offspring are not inexistant but relatively slim (and if the AS learned of any, they would have kept an eye on his offspring). Even in the TR it's rare (probably not as much as we think though. 75% of sparkers die, and the Wheel helping to alter the odds to keep the area under the WT radar, it sounds like most of those 75% even died without many if anyone realizing they could channel - as happened with the apprentice of Mistress Baran before Nynaeve).
Genetic channeling and the Rhuidean columns
24/04/2012 08:48:40 PM
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Re: Genetic channeling and the Rhuidean columns
24/04/2012 11:43:53 PM
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Re: Genetic channeling and the Rhuidean columns
25/04/2012 05:29:45 AM
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The hair...
25/04/2012 05:14:52 PM
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Yeah, that was bothering me too.
25/04/2012 07:12:31 PM
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Yup ... Suppose the Moridin body switch theory would explain the dark hair
26/04/2012 12:28:42 AM
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Re: Genetic channeling and the Rhuidean columns
25/04/2012 05:57:02 AM
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Yes, I wasn't claiming this was a plot hole or anything...
25/04/2012 06:06:53 AM
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Agreed that it is a rather strange twist and seems very sudden to happen within a generation
25/04/2012 11:15:09 AM
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Re: Agreed that it is a rather strange twist and seems very sudden to happen within a generation
25/04/2012 04:11:55 PM
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Well the Sharans seem to know as they breed channelers and kill the male offspring
26/04/2012 12:26:39 AM
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Re: Well the Sharans seem to know as they breed channelers and kill the male offspring
26/04/2012 01:42:19 AM
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Re: Yes, I wasn't claiming this was a plot hole or anything...
25/04/2012 03:49:08 PM
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I don't think the trait is that simple as the four box diagram with the peas in a bio textbook
26/04/2012 01:38:32 AM
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I don't think the trait is that simple as the four box diagram with the peas in a bio textbook
26/04/2012 01:39:05 AM
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Re: I don't think the trait is that simple as the four box diagram with the peas in a bio textbook
26/04/2012 02:17:17 AM
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True, but the odds of Channelers having children with the ability are vastly higher
26/04/2012 10:48:00 AM
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But in that very revelation, Nynaeve claims that "mother following daughter was rare"
27/04/2012 03:24:21 AM
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Re: I don't think the trait is that simple as the four box diagram with the peas in a bio textbook
26/04/2012 01:30:54 PM
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I believe there is a quote that the soul is only part of what determines the Channelers strength
27/04/2012 10:31:22 AM
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