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What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM
... is that the Rhuidean Prophecy delivered to the Aiel is about how Rand will destroy the Tuatha'an, except for a remnant of a remnant? Why would such a prophecy be given to the Aiel?

Especially given that the Rhuidean Prophecy says: Of the blood, but not raised by the blood, he will come from Rhuidean at dawn and tie you together with bonds you cannot break. He will take you back, and he will destroy you.”

It seems far more reasonable to assume that the four "you"s in that passage refer to the same group, and we can already presume that the first three apply to the Aiel, not to the Tuatha'an (indeed, Rand has done nothing for the Tuatha'an at all).


There is an ideology behind it, The Way of the Leaf, which makes it possible that the Prophesy you refer to could easily include the Tuath'an. There is no indication in that Prophesy that all of these remnant MUST be "pure blooded" In fact the Aiel don't really consider Rand Aiel, simply "of the same blood"... Thus they have tried to teach him who they are .... Clearly a more important identifier, they did after all consider his mother an Aiel once she learned their ways.

As for what Rand and the Prophesy, why else show the creation of the Tuatha'an as part of the Aiel history to him? Seems to me that they and the Aiel will have a reconciliation of some kind for the remnant to survive. IIRC some of the Aiel who threw down their spears went in sarch of the Tuatha'an ... But I'm not sure if I recall that correctly.

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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 2134 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1501 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1146 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 1109 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 1108 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 1033 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 1121 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1360 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 536 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1178 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1443 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 1086 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 1078 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 1014 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1180 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 1054 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1339 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 1036 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 961 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 904 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 1010 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 1110 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 1047 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 1141 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 1133 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 1140 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 923 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 834 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 1042 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 923 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 1077 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 947 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 955 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1139 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 911 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 931 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 984 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 1001 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 956 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 927 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 1092 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 990 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 1049 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 1076 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 922 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 1012 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 966 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 1159 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 887 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 928 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 882 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 1040 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 834 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 1124 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1153 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 1044 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 510 Views
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