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What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM
... is that the Rhuidean Prophecy delivered to the Aiel is about how Rand will destroy the Tuatha'an, except for a remnant of a remnant? Why would such a prophecy be given to the Aiel?

Especially given that the Rhuidean Prophecy says: Of the blood, but not raised by the blood, he will come from Rhuidean at dawn and tie you together with bonds you cannot break. He will take you back, and he will destroy you.”

It seems far more reasonable to assume that the four "you"s in that passage refer to the same group, and we can already presume that the first three apply to the Aiel, not to the Tuatha'an (indeed, Rand has done nothing for the Tuatha'an at all).


There is an ideology behind it, The Way of the Leaf, which makes it possible that the Prophesy you refer to could easily include the Tuath'an. There is no indication in that Prophesy that all of these remnant MUST be "pure blooded" In fact the Aiel don't really consider Rand Aiel, simply "of the same blood"... Thus they have tried to teach him who they are .... Clearly a more important identifier, they did after all consider his mother an Aiel once she learned their ways.

As for what Rand and the Prophesy, why else show the creation of the Tuatha'an as part of the Aiel history to him? Seems to me that they and the Aiel will have a reconciliation of some kind for the remnant to survive. IIRC some of the Aiel who threw down their spears went in sarch of the Tuatha'an ... But I'm not sure if I recall that correctly.

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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 2082 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1454 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1105 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 1057 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 1062 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 979 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 1076 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1293 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 518 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1130 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1375 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 1045 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 1037 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 979 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1135 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 1012 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1280 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 971 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 919 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 867 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 972 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 1056 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 996 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 1096 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 1079 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 1093 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 868 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 796 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 1004 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 873 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 1023 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 898 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 917 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1089 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 877 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 885 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 944 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 957 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 907 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 882 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 1050 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 945 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 1005 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 1029 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 873 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 980 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 919 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 1103 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 840 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 887 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 850 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 1002 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 790 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 1084 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1114 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 998 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 495 Views
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