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Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai Send a noteboard - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM
They abandoned their duties and are largely formed from wetland runaways. They are not Aiel philosophically nor genetically.


They may have abandoned their duties, but they do not use weapons.

As for there still being Jenn at the time of the prophecy, I'd say that's completely irrelevant. If you disagree, you must explain how Rand is supposed to save something that has already died out. Will he master time travel?


The "remnant of a remnant" would be that the Aiel become permanent gai'shain once again. To do no violence. A lot of gai'shain have not put off the white and will not now. They were shamed to the bone of what their ancestors have done and believe this is the only way to regain their honor.
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 1957 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1245 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 975 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 934 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 942 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 860 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 941 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1093 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 455 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 990 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1189 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 927 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 906 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 849 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1003 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 891 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1134 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 843 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 811 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 752 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 844 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 921 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 856 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 963 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 937 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 960 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 750 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 679 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 892 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 745 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 890 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 785 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 802 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 971 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 751 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 770 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 838 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 816 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 785 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 756 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 933 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 809 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 875 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 903 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 765 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 870 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 760 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 958 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 715 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 749 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 753 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 880 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 667 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 933 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 982 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 869 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 434 Views
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