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Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious Send a noteboard - 14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM

It's the entire point of Shadar Logoth and Padan Fain. It's also the reason why Dark Rand was wrong, despite the fact that people on this board were advocating things like "the risk of annihilating the entire universe is a price you just have to pay if you want to destroy one of Shai'tan's pawns", or "Rand is the saviour of the world, and everyone who refuses to serve him deserves to be destroyed". This isn't "the Shadow screwing itself", it's fighting pure evil with pure evil. And I'm not sure what to say if you think that this series will conclude with pure evil granting victory over Shai'tan.

You're putting spin on it merely to drive your point home. You might as well say that its antithematic because Graendal uses saidar. The True Power is a tool. Instead of saying 'Rand uses pure evil to destroy pure evil' it could be that the Dark One shoots himself in the foot by granting Rand access to it. I would be impressed to see how Rand can do anything to assault the DO without taining the Power again. A well is the only decent alternative I've read about in this thread.

Yes, because he started using the True Power.

So Ishamael used the True Power so muchn that his eyes became flaming caverns and yet when it comes to combat he has to directly ask for permission to use it? And what was the giant black ball forming in each hand ... we've never seen that before.

I know that's what you're asserting, but do you have anything to support that claim?

I don't. The scene has never been explained by RJ and it remains shrouded in mystery. It's a unique event and open to various theories.
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actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 10:36:03 AM 1198 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 06:02:48 PM 1253 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 06:18:16 PM 1218 Views
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Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 10/03/2012 06:40:00 PM 1218 Views
Have to agree with you on this - 12/03/2012 01:17:06 AM 1213 Views
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depends how you look at it - 19/03/2012 10:41:28 AM 1293 Views
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Odds are you are correct - 19/03/2012 11:45:03 PM 1031 Views
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That's not correct. - 20/03/2012 01:55:05 AM 1057 Views
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Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar - 20/03/2012 04:57:08 PM 1347 Views
You explantion is - 20/03/2012 06:17:52 PM 1096 Views
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RJ Quote: - 19/03/2012 06:52:12 PM 1034 Views
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Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 20/03/2012 04:35:17 PM 1073 Views
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Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM 1173 Views
except the TP is not just a tool. - 14/03/2012 01:41:17 PM 1261 Views
No, the Choedan Kal was a tool. - 14/03/2012 05:20:53 PM 993 Views
Sounds like the One Ring - 04/05/2012 03:55:01 PM 1191 Views
I totally agree with you on both issues Ben - 07/03/2012 11:44:42 PM 1354 Views
No, I don't agree - 10/03/2012 12:11:37 PM 1269 Views
That makes no sense... - 10/03/2012 09:21:19 PM 1098 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 11/03/2012 12:25:53 AM 1148 Views
Name an existing well that has that much power, though. - 11/03/2012 01:11:40 AM 1093 Views
He makes a good point though. - 11/03/2012 05:49:59 AM 1095 Views
Yes, but... - 11/03/2012 06:17:25 AM 1070 Views
Re: Yes, but... - 11/03/2012 06:47:43 PM 1099 Views
I found a couple of quote - 12/03/2012 12:00:36 AM 1255 Views
Yeah, I looked through Terez' quote database. - 12/03/2012 12:46:38 AM 1073 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 11/03/2012 08:54:11 AM 1210 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 12/03/2012 02:15:19 PM 1286 Views
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How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM 1167 Views
Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims - 13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM 1358 Views
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That's what I meant - 18/03/2012 11:13:19 PM 1163 Views

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