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Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious Send a noteboard - 14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM

It's the entire point of Shadar Logoth and Padan Fain. It's also the reason why Dark Rand was wrong, despite the fact that people on this board were advocating things like "the risk of annihilating the entire universe is a price you just have to pay if you want to destroy one of Shai'tan's pawns", or "Rand is the saviour of the world, and everyone who refuses to serve him deserves to be destroyed". This isn't "the Shadow screwing itself", it's fighting pure evil with pure evil. And I'm not sure what to say if you think that this series will conclude with pure evil granting victory over Shai'tan.

You're putting spin on it merely to drive your point home. You might as well say that its antithematic because Graendal uses saidar. The True Power is a tool. Instead of saying 'Rand uses pure evil to destroy pure evil' it could be that the Dark One shoots himself in the foot by granting Rand access to it. I would be impressed to see how Rand can do anything to assault the DO without taining the Power again. A well is the only decent alternative I've read about in this thread.

Yes, because he started using the True Power.

So Ishamael used the True Power so muchn that his eyes became flaming caverns and yet when it comes to combat he has to directly ask for permission to use it? And what was the giant black ball forming in each hand ... we've never seen that before.

I know that's what you're asserting, but do you have anything to support that claim?

I don't. The scene has never been explained by RJ and it remains shrouded in mystery. It's a unique event and open to various theories.
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actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 10:36:03 AM 852 Views
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Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 06:18:16 PM 870 Views
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Odds are you are correct - 19/03/2012 11:45:03 PM 713 Views
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Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM 858 Views
except the TP is not just a tool. - 14/03/2012 01:41:17 PM 847 Views
No, the Choedan Kal was a tool. - 14/03/2012 05:20:53 PM 659 Views
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No, I don't agree - 10/03/2012 12:11:37 PM 953 Views
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Name an existing well that has that much power, though. - 11/03/2012 01:11:40 AM 753 Views
He makes a good point though. - 11/03/2012 05:49:59 AM 783 Views
Yes, but... - 11/03/2012 06:17:25 AM 733 Views
Re: Yes, but... - 11/03/2012 06:47:43 PM 767 Views
I found a couple of quote - 12/03/2012 12:00:36 AM 950 Views
Yeah, I looked through Terez' quote database. - 12/03/2012 12:46:38 AM 775 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 11/03/2012 08:54:11 AM 902 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 12/03/2012 02:15:19 PM 977 Views
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How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM 846 Views
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That's what I meant - 18/03/2012 11:13:19 PM 889 Views

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