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Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims JasonD Send a noteboard - 13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM
I haven't followed the entire thread, but it occurs to me that one way for Rand to find two powerful women to link with while drawing the True Power, would be if the body swap theory between him and Moridin turns out to be true.

Then Rand will find himself in Moridin's body, with the cour'souvra in his possession, and thus have access to total control over the mindtrapped Cyndane and Moghedien - also the two women who are the most powerful in Tel Arhan Rhiod, as it happens.

He could then surrender completely while still being fully in control of them, through their mindtraps, and link to draw the True Power.

Just a thought. Not saying this is going to happen, but it merely answers the question of how Rand could find two submissive females to link with to draw on the True Power.

Callandor draws Saidin. I don't see how it could be used to channel the True Power any more than it could be used to channel Saidar.

Having dismissively dismissed that, though:

Moghedien was captured and forced to teach the DL's enemies; so was Asmodean. Lanfer died in the line of villainy; so did Aginor, Balthamel, and Osan'gar.

Many of the Black Ajah have experienced failure to some degree. And according to Moghedien's POV thoughts in CoS25 ("Mindtrap" ),

Some things could only be done here, some only to those who could channel, and she had brought a number of men and women for this very purpose.

That's a lot of people who could have been mindtrapped. But the only two selected were the two strongest females. After reading your theory, it occurs to me that Moridin picked these two in case he gets hold of Callandor. It's well established that the Forsaken don't normally trust one another enough to link, but the mindtrap would provide Moridin the situation to make it acceptable.
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What's so special about Callandor? Sidious - 06/03/2012 07:31:40 PM 2183 Views
Honestly, I'm more curious about the "Dragon-only" barrier that surrounded it beetnemesis - 06/03/2012 09:16:15 PM 1129 Views
I also think the flaw might be deliberate Sidious - 06/03/2012 09:56:02 PM 1190 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate DomA - 07/03/2012 04:11:21 AM 1252 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate Sidious - 07/03/2012 10:31:39 AM 1091 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate DomA - 07/03/2012 10:55:56 PM 1120 Views
RJ addressed this ... I had a similar thought several years back and this quote was floated my way darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 04:18:01 AM 1141 Views
Hmm.... Sidious - 07/03/2012 01:50:07 PM 1066 Views
Very similar to what you are getting at as I recall darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 02:00:56 PM 949 Views
Using the True Power to win Tarmon Gai'don goes against every moral in the series. Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 07:00:02 AM 1003 Views
actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 07/03/2012 10:36:03 AM 895 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 06:02:48 PM 984 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 07/03/2012 06:18:16 PM 918 Views
If anything the Dark One WANTS Lews Therin to use the TP *NM* mogi67 - 07/03/2012 09:43:20 PM 587 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 11:38:56 PM 1103 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 10/03/2012 11:52:23 AM 1105 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2012 06:40:00 PM 979 Views
Have to agree with you on this darius_sedai - 12/03/2012 01:17:06 AM 956 Views
Re: Have to agree with you on this DomA - 12/03/2012 02:36:13 PM 937 Views
Fain has become so much more than human. We have no real sense of the limits of his power darius_sedai - 18/03/2012 11:21:54 PM 838 Views
Shai'tan is the opposite half of the Creator. Fanatic-Templar - 19/03/2012 01:44:31 AM 822 Views
I actually don't see it that way darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 03:37:26 AM 986 Views
depends how you look at it Sidious - 19/03/2012 10:41:28 AM 1038 Views
Re: depends how you look at it Gartax - 19/03/2012 01:07:21 PM 767 Views
Re: depends how you look at it DomA - 19/03/2012 08:12:17 PM 901 Views
Odds are you are correct darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:45:03 PM 765 Views
Re: depends how you look at it Gartax - 20/03/2012 12:51:48 PM 732 Views
The DO did not not destroy Mashadar alone darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:42:21 PM 793 Views
That's not correct. Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 01:55:05 AM 800 Views
Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar darius_sedai - 20/03/2012 01:11:17 PM 1072 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 04:27:33 PM 725 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar Gartax - 20/03/2012 04:57:08 PM 1081 Views
You explantion is DomA - 20/03/2012 06:17:52 PM 829 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:40:40 PM 415 Views
RJ Quote: Fanatic-Templar - 19/03/2012 06:52:12 PM 790 Views
Exactly DomA - 19/03/2012 08:54:22 PM 1092 Views
Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:48:20 PM 779 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 20/03/2012 01:06:20 PM 802 Views
My point with imagination is simply that destruction only does 1 thing darius_sedai - 20/03/2012 01:14:55 PM 947 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 04:35:17 PM 794 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 20/03/2012 04:59:13 PM 777 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 08:57:35 PM 884 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 21/03/2012 01:09:13 PM 823 Views
Yep . Fanatic-Templar - 21/03/2012 04:51:15 PM 800 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM 912 Views
except the TP is not just a tool. LadyLorraine - 14/03/2012 01:41:17 PM 971 Views
No, the Choedan Kal was a tool. Fanatic-Templar - 14/03/2012 05:20:53 PM 710 Views
Sounds like the One Ring guttering flame - 04/05/2012 03:55:01 PM 927 Views
I totally agree with you on both issues Ben DomA - 07/03/2012 11:44:42 PM 1051 Views
No, I don't agree Sidious - 10/03/2012 12:11:37 PM 1005 Views
That makes no sense... fionwe1987 - 10/03/2012 09:21:19 PM 841 Views
Re: That makes no sense... rosco12 - 11/03/2012 12:25:53 AM 839 Views
Name an existing well that has that much power, though. fionwe1987 - 11/03/2012 01:11:40 AM 808 Views
He makes a good point though. Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2012 05:49:59 AM 836 Views
Yes, but... fionwe1987 - 11/03/2012 06:17:25 AM 785 Views
Re: Yes, but... Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2012 06:47:43 PM 818 Views
I found a couple of quote rosco12 - 12/03/2012 12:00:36 AM 999 Views
Yeah, I looked through Terez' quote database. Fanatic-Templar - 12/03/2012 12:46:38 AM 820 Views
Re: That makes no sense... Sidious - 11/03/2012 08:54:11 AM 955 Views
Re: That makes no sense... DomA - 12/03/2012 02:15:19 PM 1025 Views
Re: No, I don't agree DomA - 12/03/2012 01:49:10 PM 1003 Views
How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... Shannow - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM 893 Views
Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims JasonD - 13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM 1020 Views
Re: Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims MikeyMikeyMikey - 13/03/2012 05:19:21 PM 822 Views
That's what I meant JasonD - 18/03/2012 11:13:19 PM 937 Views
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