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Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims JasonD Send a noteboard - 13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM
I haven't followed the entire thread, but it occurs to me that one way for Rand to find two powerful women to link with while drawing the True Power, would be if the body swap theory between him and Moridin turns out to be true.

Then Rand will find himself in Moridin's body, with the cour'souvra in his possession, and thus have access to total control over the mindtrapped Cyndane and Moghedien - also the two women who are the most powerful in Tel Arhan Rhiod, as it happens.

He could then surrender completely while still being fully in control of them, through their mindtraps, and link to draw the True Power.

Just a thought. Not saying this is going to happen, but it merely answers the question of how Rand could find two submissive females to link with to draw on the True Power.

Callandor draws Saidin. I don't see how it could be used to channel the True Power any more than it could be used to channel Saidar.

Having dismissively dismissed that, though:

Moghedien was captured and forced to teach the DL's enemies; so was Asmodean. Lanfer died in the line of villainy; so did Aginor, Balthamel, and Osan'gar.

Many of the Black Ajah have experienced failure to some degree. And according to Moghedien's POV thoughts in CoS25 ("Mindtrap" ),

Some things could only be done here, some only to those who could channel, and she had brought a number of men and women for this very purpose.

That's a lot of people who could have been mindtrapped. But the only two selected were the two strongest females. After reading your theory, it occurs to me that Moridin picked these two in case he gets hold of Callandor. It's well established that the Forsaken don't normally trust one another enough to link, but the mindtrap would provide Moridin the situation to make it acceptable.
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What's so special about Callandor? Sidious - 06/03/2012 07:31:40 PM 2133 Views
Honestly, I'm more curious about the "Dragon-only" barrier that surrounded it beetnemesis - 06/03/2012 09:16:15 PM 1072 Views
I also think the flaw might be deliberate Sidious - 06/03/2012 09:56:02 PM 1139 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate DomA - 07/03/2012 04:11:21 AM 1204 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate Sidious - 07/03/2012 10:31:39 AM 1041 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate DomA - 07/03/2012 10:55:56 PM 1071 Views
RJ addressed this ... I had a similar thought several years back and this quote was floated my way darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 04:18:01 AM 1094 Views
Hmm.... Sidious - 07/03/2012 01:50:07 PM 1017 Views
Very similar to what you are getting at as I recall darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 02:00:56 PM 900 Views
Using the True Power to win Tarmon Gai'don goes against every moral in the series. Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 07:00:02 AM 952 Views
actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 07/03/2012 10:36:03 AM 852 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 06:02:48 PM 935 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 07/03/2012 06:18:16 PM 870 Views
If anything the Dark One WANTS Lews Therin to use the TP *NM* mogi67 - 07/03/2012 09:43:20 PM 564 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 11:38:56 PM 1052 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 10/03/2012 11:52:23 AM 1056 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2012 06:40:00 PM 926 Views
Have to agree with you on this darius_sedai - 12/03/2012 01:17:06 AM 911 Views
Re: Have to agree with you on this DomA - 12/03/2012 02:36:13 PM 882 Views
Fain has become so much more than human. We have no real sense of the limits of his power darius_sedai - 18/03/2012 11:21:54 PM 788 Views
Shai'tan is the opposite half of the Creator. Fanatic-Templar - 19/03/2012 01:44:31 AM 769 Views
I actually don't see it that way darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 03:37:26 AM 937 Views
depends how you look at it Sidious - 19/03/2012 10:41:28 AM 986 Views
Re: depends how you look at it Gartax - 19/03/2012 01:07:21 PM 720 Views
Re: depends how you look at it DomA - 19/03/2012 08:12:17 PM 850 Views
Odds are you are correct darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:45:03 PM 712 Views
Re: depends how you look at it Gartax - 20/03/2012 12:51:48 PM 683 Views
The DO did not not destroy Mashadar alone darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:42:21 PM 745 Views
That's not correct. Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 01:55:05 AM 750 Views
Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar darius_sedai - 20/03/2012 01:11:17 PM 1012 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 04:27:33 PM 678 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar Gartax - 20/03/2012 04:57:08 PM 1032 Views
You explantion is DomA - 20/03/2012 06:17:52 PM 781 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:40:40 PM 389 Views
RJ Quote: Fanatic-Templar - 19/03/2012 06:52:12 PM 738 Views
Exactly DomA - 19/03/2012 08:54:22 PM 1042 Views
Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:48:20 PM 727 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 20/03/2012 01:06:20 PM 751 Views
My point with imagination is simply that destruction only does 1 thing darius_sedai - 20/03/2012 01:14:55 PM 897 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 04:35:17 PM 746 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 20/03/2012 04:59:13 PM 727 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 08:57:35 PM 834 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 21/03/2012 01:09:13 PM 773 Views
Yep . Fanatic-Templar - 21/03/2012 04:51:15 PM 752 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM 857 Views
except the TP is not just a tool. LadyLorraine - 14/03/2012 01:41:17 PM 847 Views
No, the Choedan Kal was a tool. Fanatic-Templar - 14/03/2012 05:20:53 PM 659 Views
Sounds like the One Ring guttering flame - 04/05/2012 03:55:01 PM 858 Views
I totally agree with you on both issues Ben DomA - 07/03/2012 11:44:42 PM 1002 Views
No, I don't agree Sidious - 10/03/2012 12:11:37 PM 953 Views
That makes no sense... fionwe1987 - 10/03/2012 09:21:19 PM 789 Views
Re: That makes no sense... rosco12 - 11/03/2012 12:25:53 AM 790 Views
Name an existing well that has that much power, though. fionwe1987 - 11/03/2012 01:11:40 AM 753 Views
He makes a good point though. Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2012 05:49:59 AM 782 Views
Yes, but... fionwe1987 - 11/03/2012 06:17:25 AM 733 Views
Re: Yes, but... Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2012 06:47:43 PM 767 Views
I found a couple of quote rosco12 - 12/03/2012 12:00:36 AM 950 Views
Yeah, I looked through Terez' quote database. Fanatic-Templar - 12/03/2012 12:46:38 AM 775 Views
Re: That makes no sense... Sidious - 11/03/2012 08:54:11 AM 902 Views
Re: That makes no sense... DomA - 12/03/2012 02:15:19 PM 976 Views
Re: No, I don't agree DomA - 12/03/2012 01:49:10 PM 952 Views
How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... Shannow - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM 846 Views
Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims JasonD - 13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM 953 Views
Re: Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims MikeyMikeyMikey - 13/03/2012 05:19:21 PM 769 Views
That's what I meant JasonD - 18/03/2012 11:13:19 PM 889 Views
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