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How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... Shannow Send a noteboard - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM


Another logical problem with the theory is that it manages more or less to explain that Rand can draw the TP from his connection to Moridin. That's all well and good, but it combines this with the fact Rand will use Callandor with two women. We don't even know if it's possible to form a circle using the TP (and personally I highly doubt it... the whole themes surrounding the Shadow is "every one for himself";), but let's say it is for the sake of it. What we know, though, is that a channeler must be placed on the verge of embracing the source to enter a circle. With which two women Rand could possibly do this using the TP? Which two women near Rand could put themselves in the proper evil state of mind to embrace the True Power? Moiraine, Nynaeve, Egwene, Alivia, Cadsuane? LOL! Rand trying to explain to Nynaeve that in order to defeat evil they must agree to fully embrace it and be in communion with Shai'tan himself, and let his essence run through them would make for a rich scene, one that would end with Nynaeve (or Moiraine, Egwene, Cadsuane... take you pick) kicking the hell out of Rand. The whole thematic structure of this doesn't work and contradicts Rand's epiphany. Rand had to become one with Creation and with humanity, which began by fully embracing his feelings for his loved ones and friends. The TP is the opposite, a utter rejection of all that, cold as ice hatred and nihilism.



I haven't followed the entire thread, but it occurs to me that one way for Rand to find two powerful women to link with while drawing the True Power, would be if the body swap theory between him and Moridin turns out to be true.

Then Rand will find himself in Moridin's body, with the cour'souvra in his possession, and thus have access to total control over the mindtrapped Cyndane and Moghedien - also the two women who are the most powerful in Tel Arhan Rhiod, as it happens.

He could then surrender completely while still being fully in control of them, through their mindtraps, and link to draw the True Power.

Just a thought. Not saying this is going to happen, but it merely answers the question of how Rand could find two submissive females to link with to draw on the True Power.
This message last edited by Shannow on 12/03/2012 at 06:05:32 PM
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What's so special about Callandor? - 06/03/2012 07:31:40 PM 2154 Views
Honestly, I'm more curious about the "Dragon-only" barrier that surrounded it - 06/03/2012 09:16:15 PM 1089 Views
I also think the flaw might be deliberate - 06/03/2012 09:56:02 PM 1162 Views
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RJ addressed this ... I had a similar thought several years back and this quote was floated my way - 07/03/2012 04:18:01 AM 1113 Views
Hmm.... - 07/03/2012 01:50:07 PM 1038 Views
Very similar to what you are getting at as I recall - 07/03/2012 02:00:56 PM 917 Views
Using the True Power to win Tarmon Gai'don goes against every moral in the series. - 07/03/2012 07:00:02 AM 968 Views
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If anything the Dark One WANTS Lews Therin to use the TP *NM* - 07/03/2012 09:43:20 PM 570 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 11:38:56 PM 1070 Views
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Have to agree with you on this - 12/03/2012 01:17:06 AM 926 Views
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Fain has become so much more than human. We have no real sense of the limits of his power - 18/03/2012 11:21:54 PM 806 Views
Shai'tan is the opposite half of the Creator. - 19/03/2012 01:44:31 AM 790 Views
I actually don't see it that way - 19/03/2012 03:37:26 AM 956 Views
depends how you look at it - 19/03/2012 10:41:28 AM 1004 Views
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Odds are you are correct - 19/03/2012 11:45:03 PM 730 Views
Re: depends how you look at it - 20/03/2012 12:51:48 PM 698 Views
The DO did not not destroy Mashadar alone - 19/03/2012 11:42:21 PM 764 Views
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Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar - 20/03/2012 04:57:08 PM 1047 Views
You explantion is - 20/03/2012 06:17:52 PM 796 Views
Agreed *NM* - 19/03/2012 11:40:40 PM 398 Views
RJ Quote: - 19/03/2012 06:52:12 PM 755 Views
Exactly - 19/03/2012 08:54:22 PM 1059 Views
Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 19/03/2012 11:48:20 PM 745 Views
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Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 20/03/2012 04:35:17 PM 761 Views
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Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 21/03/2012 01:09:13 PM 790 Views
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Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM 878 Views
except the TP is not just a tool. - 14/03/2012 01:41:17 PM 866 Views
No, the Choedan Kal was a tool. - 14/03/2012 05:20:53 PM 674 Views
Sounds like the One Ring - 04/05/2012 03:55:01 PM 872 Views
I totally agree with you on both issues Ben - 07/03/2012 11:44:42 PM 1023 Views
No, I don't agree - 10/03/2012 12:11:37 PM 971 Views
That makes no sense... - 10/03/2012 09:21:19 PM 809 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 11/03/2012 12:25:53 AM 809 Views
Name an existing well that has that much power, though. - 11/03/2012 01:11:40 AM 774 Views
He makes a good point though. - 11/03/2012 05:49:59 AM 802 Views
Yes, but... - 11/03/2012 06:17:25 AM 753 Views
Re: Yes, but... - 11/03/2012 06:47:43 PM 784 Views
I found a couple of quote - 12/03/2012 12:00:36 AM 970 Views
Yeah, I looked through Terez' quote database. - 12/03/2012 12:46:38 AM 792 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 11/03/2012 08:54:11 AM 922 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 12/03/2012 02:15:19 PM 995 Views
Re: No, I don't agree - 12/03/2012 01:49:10 PM 969 Views
How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM 863 Views
Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims - 13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM 967 Views
Re: Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims - 13/03/2012 05:19:21 PM 786 Views
That's what I meant - 18/03/2012 11:13:19 PM 903 Views

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