I would not be surprised to see Mordeth/Fain actually kill the DO and end up being imprisoned by Rand as a new DO for the next age.
How could Fain possibly defeat a deity and become one himself?
The DO is a deity who is the equal of the Creator. A whole point of Jordan's universe seems to be that you can't get rid of Shai'tan permanently (he's outside the Pattern, remember). He's been there from the beginning and will be there to the end.
Fain has become a kind of walking manifestation of Mashadar. He's something like Shadar Logoth's Shaidar Haran (not literally, but thematically and all, it's what he is).
He's some kind of wilcard in the LB (one Rand can't take into account because he can predict Fain will be present at SG... if he turns out to be), but I think you exagerate his potential role.
Something more "reasonable" and in line with the role of Mashadar at the Cleansing may be for Fain to be used to force the DO to retreat briefly from the Bore, to lose his grip, to destroy the Bore. That would destroy Fain and whatever "part" of the DO is holding the Bore in place, but not Shai'tan. A big problem is that Rand would have to capture (and be able to hold) Fain before conceiving any such plan, and with Fain in the Blight already, that doesn't seem to be heading this way.
Another possibility, more in line with the "wildcard" aspect would be that Fain will deal with Shaidar Haran, a creature that is a limited physical manifestation of Shai'tan in the Pattern that Rand doesn't know about and won't take into account in his final plans unless he learns of its existence before going to SG. If Rand never learns of it and doesn't take it into account, Shaidar Haran could "ruin" everything by appearing at SG at the end, but based on the Cleansing where Mashadar and the Taint destroyed each other, it may be quite possible that a clash between Fain and SH would end in the destruction of both of them.
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What's so special about Callandor?
06/03/2012 07:31:40 PM
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Honestly, I'm more curious about the "Dragon-only" barrier that surrounded it
06/03/2012 09:16:15 PM
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I also think the flaw might be deliberate
06/03/2012 09:56:02 PM
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Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate
07/03/2012 04:11:21 AM
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RJ addressed this ... I had a similar thought several years back and this quote was floated my way
07/03/2012 04:18:01 AM
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Using the True Power to win Tarmon Gai'don goes against every moral in the series.
07/03/2012 07:00:02 AM
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actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues
07/03/2012 10:36:03 AM
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10/03/2012 06:40:00 PM
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Have to agree with you on this
12/03/2012 01:17:06 AM
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Re: Have to agree with you on this
12/03/2012 02:36:13 PM
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Fain has become so much more than human. We have no real sense of the limits of his power
18/03/2012 11:21:54 PM
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Shai'tan is the opposite half of the Creator.
19/03/2012 01:44:31 AM
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I actually don't see it that way
19/03/2012 03:37:26 AM
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depends how you look at it
19/03/2012 10:41:28 AM
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Re: depends how you look at it
19/03/2012 01:07:21 PM
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The DO did not not destroy Mashadar alone
19/03/2012 11:42:21 PM
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That's not correct.
20/03/2012 01:55:05 AM
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Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar
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RJ Quote:
19/03/2012 06:52:12 PM
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Exactly
19/03/2012 08:54:22 PM
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Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction
19/03/2012 11:48:20 PM
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Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction
20/03/2012 01:06:20 PM
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My point with imagination is simply that destruction only does 1 thing
20/03/2012 01:14:55 PM
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Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction
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I totally agree with you on both issues Ben
07/03/2012 11:44:42 PM
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No, I don't agree
10/03/2012 12:11:37 PM
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That makes no sense...
10/03/2012 09:21:19 PM
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Re: That makes no sense...
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Name an existing well that has that much power, though.
11/03/2012 01:11:40 AM
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He makes a good point though.
11/03/2012 05:49:59 AM
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Yes, but...
11/03/2012 06:17:25 AM
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Re: Yes, but...
11/03/2012 06:47:43 PM
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How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane...
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Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims
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