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I kind of disagree Jim Send a noteboard - 08/03/2012 05:21:33 AM
INTERVIEW: Nov 11th, 1998
MSN eFriends Interview (Verbatim)
SLAYER
Do Min's viewings always predict the future, or do some tell about the past, mainly the seven towers around Lan in The Eye of the World?
ROBERT JORDAN
Um, her viewings are always concerning the future.


Again, he said the viewing concern the future, he never said the images with which the viewings are produced are from future events....

Min rarely ever sees glimpses from the future, she sees something more akin to symbols, which if decoded right reveals something that always concern the future of the person. Faile isn't a falcon, and Berelain isn't an hawk. It just represneted them, and that isn't about their future - Berelain has been a Paendrg since her birth, and Paendrags have been associated to the hawk sigil for a mellenia.The very same way, it's not because there's a baby that it is forcibly a baby from the future. The baby just represents something. Saying the baby can't represent Lan is like saying the Towers can't be Mlakier's because they're already in ruins and the viewing concerns the future. The Broken Crown can't be Saldaea because it's already broken, and so on.

Take my interpretation of the viewing for Lan. The baby and towers represent his oath, but the viewing concerns Lan's future. This oath was something he had chosen to put behind at the time, to follow Moiraine's greater cause, to fight the Shadow by serving her. In KOD, what Nynaeve did forced him to return to the letter of his oath of leading the Malkieri to avenge Malkier. I think this is what the viewing predicted, and it was about Lan's future.


Given that the Oath begins with, "To stand against the shadow so long as iron is hard and stone abides." I can't see how following Moiraine in any way goes against his Oath. In fact, as Moiraine points out at the end of New Spring, serving her gives him a battle he can win rather than an unmarked grave in the Blight.

That being said I could see these images still somehow referring to what Lan is going through now, in gathering forces and raising the Golden Crane. Also, I'm not entirely sure RJ actually had everything in tEotW fully thought through and may have had no intention of ever having these viewings fulfilled in the books.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
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So who thinks Elayne will die in aMoL? mogi67 - 29/02/2012 04:02:07 AM 2135 Views
Given the various Foretellings and Min Viewings the only way Elayne can die darius_sedai - 29/02/2012 05:48:50 AM 1230 Views
Dying in childbirth would be totally lame Zeratul - 29/02/2012 09:34:47 AM 1216 Views
There is the one vision Min had of Aveinda where she was going to have 4? babies but it was odd *NM* Nolan - 29/02/2012 04:53:46 PM 619 Views
That's nothing to do with Elayne Cannoli - 29/02/2012 05:19:39 PM 1207 Views
Or does it? JasonD - 10/03/2012 06:21:53 PM 1035 Views
She's already gone from Caemlyn at the timeof the attack, at the meeting in Merrilor Cannoli - 29/02/2012 05:29:27 PM 1414 Views
Going to have to agree 100% *NM* Myrdhyn - 29/02/2012 06:42:15 PM 674 Views
I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 10:44:29 PM 1051 Views
Ok... fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 03:23:11 AM 1116 Views
practically speaking you're correct. But this is a fantasy novel with a pro-protagonist tone LadyLorraine - 01/03/2012 04:24:38 PM 1057 Views
I disagree... fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 06:29:32 PM 1223 Views
not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives Jim - 02/03/2012 05:51:03 AM 1181 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives fionwe1987 - 04/03/2012 06:46:12 PM 1027 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives DomA - 04/03/2012 07:32:31 PM 1105 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives Jim - 05/03/2012 01:54:49 AM 1167 Views
is there any chance that the broken crown could refer to Manethrean? (sp?) LadyLorraine - 05/03/2012 02:10:17 AM 1175 Views
Perrin bringing Manthrean back seems unlikely Jim - 05/03/2012 04:28:57 PM 1141 Views
No, I realize that LadyLorraine - 05/03/2012 09:12:56 PM 1056 Views
Re: No, I realize that DomA - 06/03/2012 02:14:14 AM 1221 Views
Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail LadyLorraine - 06/03/2012 02:45:28 PM 1027 Views
Re: Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail DomA - 07/03/2012 03:43:59 AM 1047 Views
oh pllp. clearly I haven't read much lately LadyLorraine - 07/03/2012 02:02:20 PM 1180 Views
DomA - 09/03/2012 12:43:57 PM 1061 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives DomA - 06/03/2012 01:47:08 AM 1221 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives Jim - 05/03/2012 01:51:46 AM 1293 Views
I think Lan will live just to spite the character *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/03/2012 02:11:59 AM 666 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives DomA - 06/03/2012 02:35:23 AM 1135 Views
RJ says otherwise darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 02:08:23 PM 1172 Views
Re: RJ says otherwise DomA - 08/03/2012 04:53:42 AM 1243 Views
I kind of disagree Jim - 08/03/2012 05:21:33 AM 1204 Views
Re: I kind of disagree DomA - 08/03/2012 01:39:40 PM 1141 Views
You misunderstand my point darius_sedai - 09/03/2012 05:31:09 AM 1079 Views
Re: You misunderstand my point DomA - 09/03/2012 12:40:29 PM 1448 Views
Agreed. For all we know the baby image could be Lan meeting the oath taken for him by raising darius_sedai - 09/03/2012 01:23:06 PM 1035 Views
No one mourned or cheered when Dobraine was dying. *NM* fionwe1987 - 09/03/2012 04:12:39 PM 890 Views
Re: Agreed. For all we know the baby image could be Lan meeting the oath taken for him by raising DomA - 09/03/2012 07:18:41 PM 1370 Views
Re: I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/03/2012 03:10:35 PM 1237 Views
I didn't know Naelson was a Darkfriend, or Tylin either. What about Jaim? Hieshyn - 02/03/2012 01:45:57 AM 1361 Views
they're not main characters either Jim - 02/03/2012 05:58:13 AM 1151 Views
I wouldn't even consider Morgase to be a MAIN character. Evil_Monkey - 02/03/2012 12:28:41 PM 1155 Views
Yes. I am classifying Main Characters as Rand, Egwene, Elayne, Perrin, Mat, Avi, Min and Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/03/2012 05:42:58 PM 919 Views
Verin is the most significant character to die that I recall darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 04:50:51 PM 1147 Views
Re: I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters Praziquantel - 02/03/2012 12:53:41 AM 1065 Views
And you think she won't hop back to Caemlyn the moment word comes of the attack? *NM* fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 03:22:11 AM 616 Views
No, she won't be able to weave the gateway and Rand won't let anyone make her one. *NM* Hieshyn - 02/03/2012 01:48:06 AM 755 Views
The smartass answer: Birgitte. But, despite all seeming evidence, I don't know why anyone would. *NM* Palatine - 01/03/2012 04:36:22 PM 731 Views
Hope or think? *NM* Anonymous2000 - 01/03/2012 06:30:58 PM 615 Views
Oh God I hope she does *NM* Hieshyn - 02/03/2012 01:48:46 AM 838 Views
i don't think she will....just hoping. *NM* moridin15 - 04/03/2012 09:55:06 AM 762 Views
It's fairly doubtful DomA - 04/03/2012 04:34:01 PM 1251 Views
Agreed. fionwe1987 - 04/03/2012 06:37:25 PM 986 Views
Re: Agreed. DomA - 04/03/2012 08:38:45 PM 1161 Views
I expect Moiraine to be the second woman to link with Rand Jim - 05/03/2012 02:08:44 AM 1110 Views
I'm very suspicious of the whole "Callandor" theory.... DomA - 06/03/2012 03:27:05 AM 1377 Views
I have wondered for a long time if the Ogier, Rand, Aiel and the Tinkers won't end up darius_sedai - 06/03/2012 04:04:13 AM 931 Views
Re: I have wondered for a long time if the Ogier, Rand, Aiel and the Tinkers won't end up DomA - 06/03/2012 03:10:45 PM 1306 Views
We have similar thought processes on this *NM* darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 01:47:39 PM 597 Views
I don't see Singing playing any role in TG Jim - 08/03/2012 05:08:24 AM 983 Views
Have you read ToM? fionwe1987 - 08/03/2012 07:52:46 AM 1094 Views
Re: I don't see Singing playing any role in TG DomA - 08/03/2012 02:07:31 PM 1087 Views
I expect Rand to "die" Jim - 05/03/2012 02:07:55 AM 1034 Views
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