Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues
Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 07/03/2012 11:38:56 PM
Thats opinion, and not supported by the text of that scene IMO. Rand reached out to anything he could to save his wife whom he was about to murder. It was desperation, not malice. The fact that he had access to the TP is a physical occurence ... He's linked to Moridin. Obviously the DO wanted Rand to channel it and there's no denying that Rand is close to evil before his renaissance, but the Forsaken are also evil and they don't want to touch it, so its really not linked to any sort of moral standing on his part.
I meant narratively, not that his moral alignment is a physical prerequisite for accessing the True Power. You're right in that I don't think Rand being good would actually prevent him from using it if Shai'tan allowed, but the themes of the story are quite clear that using the Shadow's weapons against it is the wrong way.
Well I thought I was addressing the Moridin issue. The DO may need to cut him off from the TP to stop Rand from using it, which he may not want to do. Unless Rand is in the Bore he needs Moridin to defend the Shadow.
As for TDR he didnt need to beg the DO for assistance. He may have been using the TP all along. At that point it says he became darker than the light of Callandor. The DO may have filled him with a massive amount of the TP, hence Ishamael's triumphant look.
As for TDR he didnt need to beg the DO for assistance. He may have been using the TP all along. At that point it says he became darker than the light of Callandor. The DO may have filled him with a massive amount of the TP, hence Ishamael's triumphant look.
There's nothing that would indicate that. The end of that confrontation indicates a change in Ba'alzamon's pattern of attack, not in the power of those attacks. If he had been using small balls of blackness and now suddenly had a large ball of blackness, I might agree. But as is, there is no indication that he was using the same power source (in fact, I get the impression that he was using Dreamwalking techniques more than either sort of Power in that battle. We've never seen anyone use Channelling to fill a room with water, for example, or altering air pressure, or gravity, and so forth). Besides, I wonder why you think it is more reasonable to claim Ishamael needed to beg Shai'tan to change the quantity of Power he was using, rather than to access it at all. We at least know that the latter is the general rule.
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What's so special about Callandor?
06/03/2012 07:31:40 PM
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Honestly, I'm more curious about the "Dragon-only" barrier that surrounded it
06/03/2012 09:16:15 PM
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I also think the flaw might be deliberate
06/03/2012 09:56:02 PM
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Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate
07/03/2012 04:11:21 AM
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RJ addressed this ... I had a similar thought several years back and this quote was floated my way
07/03/2012 04:18:01 AM
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Using the True Power to win Tarmon Gai'don goes against every moral in the series.
07/03/2012 07:00:02 AM
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actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues
07/03/2012 10:36:03 AM
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Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues
07/03/2012 06:02:48 PM
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07/03/2012 06:18:16 PM
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07/03/2012 11:38:56 PM
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Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues
10/03/2012 11:52:23 AM
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Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues
10/03/2012 06:40:00 PM
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Have to agree with you on this
12/03/2012 01:17:06 AM
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Re: Have to agree with you on this
12/03/2012 02:36:13 PM
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Fain has become so much more than human. We have no real sense of the limits of his power
18/03/2012 11:21:54 PM
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Shai'tan is the opposite half of the Creator.
19/03/2012 01:44:31 AM
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I actually don't see it that way
19/03/2012 03:37:26 AM
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depends how you look at it
19/03/2012 10:41:28 AM
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Re: depends how you look at it
19/03/2012 01:07:21 PM
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The DO did not not destroy Mashadar alone
19/03/2012 11:42:21 PM
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That's not correct.
20/03/2012 01:55:05 AM
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Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar
20/03/2012 01:11:17 PM
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RJ Quote:
19/03/2012 06:52:12 PM
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Exactly
19/03/2012 08:54:22 PM
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Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction
19/03/2012 11:48:20 PM
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Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction
20/03/2012 01:06:20 PM
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My point with imagination is simply that destruction only does 1 thing
20/03/2012 01:14:55 PM
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Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction
20/03/2012 04:35:17 PM
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Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction
20/03/2012 04:59:13 PM
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Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction
20/03/2012 08:57:35 PM
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Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues
14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM
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I totally agree with you on both issues Ben
07/03/2012 11:44:42 PM
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No, I don't agree
10/03/2012 12:11:37 PM
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That makes no sense...
10/03/2012 09:21:19 PM
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Re: That makes no sense...
11/03/2012 12:25:53 AM
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Name an existing well that has that much power, though.
11/03/2012 01:11:40 AM
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He makes a good point though.
11/03/2012 05:49:59 AM
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Yes, but...
11/03/2012 06:17:25 AM
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Re: Yes, but...
11/03/2012 06:47:43 PM
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How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane...
12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM
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Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims
13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM
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Re: Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims
13/03/2012 05:19:21 PM
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