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But... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM

Well, after going through everything Alviarin put her through, I can understand Elaida wanting to make sure that the Amyrlin is obeyed. The TOwer AS are even more factioned and isolated from each other than the rebels, and Elaida's obediance oath would finally bring everyone under the Amyrlin's umbrella.

Elaida chose to let Alviarin do those things. She did that to save her ass from the punishment the Hall would mete out for her idiotic plans.
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I adored it. *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:37:38 PM 974 Views
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Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” Cannoli - 28/09/2009 01:03:35 PM 1959 Views
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sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM* Iceman - 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM 890 Views
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Agreed. It was RJ through and through. *NM* Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:36:13 PM 956 Views
+1 Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:03:44 AM 1481 Views
I should disagree StinkerSkunk - 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM 1593 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes Rurouni_Kenshin - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 1495 Views
Re: Jordan left tons of background info in notes StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 08:10:06 PM 1556 Views
Her entry in Encyclopaedia wot makes no mention of her being amyrlin *NM* NaClH2O - 28/09/2009 01:17:49 AM 981 Views
Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years. Rurouni_Kenshin - 28/09/2009 09:46:34 PM 1574 Views
Re: Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years. StinkerSkunk - 28/09/2009 10:04:02 PM 1375 Views
Re: Chapter summary RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:50:36 PM 1640 Views
Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 1649 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 1667 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 1583 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? AliasRY - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 1519 Views
Can Fain do that? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 1502 Views
No he can't (couldn't) DomA - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 1723 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 1626 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 1509 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 1488 Views
Ambitious people are like that redhand - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 1567 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 1511 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself FredWeasley - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 1494 Views
This made my morning happy. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 1596 Views
I think it's different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 1634 Views
True. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 1651 Views
Re: True. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 1512 Views
I also think Egwene might free them from it once she becomes recognized Amyrlin *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:36:55 PM 1012 Views
Re: I think it's different. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 1501 Views
There's still a difference... fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 1399 Views
Re: There's still a difference... BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 1432 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 1448 Views
Re: But... Amyrlin Seat - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 1456 Views
She could have not bungled up... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 1250 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 1492 Views
he's saying that. Deadsy - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1350 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 1401 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT redhand - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 1486 Views
Ever had rancid oil? Kiera - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2206 Views
Is Alviarin finished? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 1601 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind RandAllThor - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 1523 Views
Or Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 1692 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1260 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 1577 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 1490 Views
No they don't Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 1391 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* AgentOrange - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 935 Views
Her part will probably be... Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 1559 Views
I think her mission has changed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 1329 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? Gerbeaud - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1453 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! Etzel - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 1549 Views
Painful to listen to Bulgakov - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 1594 Views
Not finished it yet MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 1681 Views
WHITE! sue - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 1526 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 1559 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 1657 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 1326 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 1408 Views
She doesn't.. Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 1382 Views
I doubt it - I'm of the opinion that Moridin may be next on SH's "personal attentions" list RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 05:16:38 PM 1538 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 1479 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 1304 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 1500 Views
I disagree Marshall - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 1597 Views
nice idea *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 869 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 1487 Views
I think... Etzel - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 1679 Views
Re: I think... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 1266 Views
Re: I think... Sidious - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 1638 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 1348 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 1503 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1265 Views
Re: I think... Ryan - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 1418 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 1457 Views
I was totally caught off guard! entyti - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 1479 Views
I all excited! sue - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 1409 Views
Yay Deadsy - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 1671 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1115 Views
is she wrong? Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 1558 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 1692 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 1503 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too Isaac - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 1429 Views
Re: is she wrong? BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 1565 Views
Re: is she wrong? fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 1359 Views
You're totally wrong Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 1507 Views
Re: You're totally wrong Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 1470 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 1722 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 1642 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 1568 Views
I disagree in some ways Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 1317 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 1481 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO ajfurst - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 1425 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 856 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 1607 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 1524 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen randfandom - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 1475 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 1529 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 948 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... Crackbrained Asha'man - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 1407 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 1328 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 1450 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 1458 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 1552 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 1553 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 1488 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 1249 Views
no.. urizen - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1355 Views
The title of book 13... Etzel - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1346 Views
Swing and a miss. The Dude - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 1546 Views
As said Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1343 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? Isaac - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1383 Views
Yes, those Towers... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 1445 Views
Seems unlikely to me. RandAllThor - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 1481 Views
Yeah, that's possible. Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 1441 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... Rand al'Thor - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1298 Views
I think it's an exaggeration Deadsy - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 1436 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... randfandom - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 1477 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 1337 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 947 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 1229 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 1386 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 1432 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 1417 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers ajfurst - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1353 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. fionwe1987 - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1298 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 1357 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 1445 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 1703 Views
I experienced just the opposite Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 1520 Views
Totally disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1378 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 910 Views
Really? CupofDice - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1392 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? BlackAdder - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 1382 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 893 Views
In regards to Alviarin. Heiko - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 1496 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 1427 Views
I think it would serve as motivation for those who say "You don't have to like the Amrylin" to turn. Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:08:19 AM 1463 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 1580 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 1553 Views
Re: The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Ryan - 26/09/2009 04:45:32 AM 1369 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1393 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 942 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 978 Views
What about Mesaana? Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1302 Views
Definitely Mesana-- but I was wondering if the Shadar Logoth taint leaked onto Elaida a little Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 07:43:24 PM 1520 Views
Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 1435 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 1431 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1451 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 1445 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Lanfear - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 1569 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1469 Views
That's not his argument though Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1283 Views
Ah okay. Sidious - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1387 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 1526 Views
I think... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 1522 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1171 Views
That is really good idea Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 1605 Views
Though... Etzel - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1472 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1287 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath aldapelan - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 1432 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: The Angry Druid - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1409 Views
Egwene and Mesaana Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1466 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... Shannow - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1491 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1318 Views
Agreed Sidious - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1394 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. The Angry Druid - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1490 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 920 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1404 Views
Humph. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1348 Views
She was overconfident Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1388 Views
A lie by Elaida? Etzel - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 1606 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1408 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? Amyrlin Seat - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1350 Views
I don't think it covers things like that Isaac - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 1384 Views
She believes what she said *NM* Sidious - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 905 Views
Remember, perspective. Great Lord of Chaos - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1289 Views
It might well be true BlackAdder - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1401 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1245 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. Narg - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1472 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Watcher - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1221 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Knightscape - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1384 Views
She'll do everything to re-unite the Tower - except anything that could actually re-unite it ajfurst - 29/09/2009 02:26:10 AM 1463 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ Lord o' Salv - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1408 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1463 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1458 Views
Ridiculous Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1276 Views
Very. Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1416 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1399 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1452 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1363 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1385 Views
Re: Hmmm.... RandAllThor - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 1706 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* guttering flame - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 854 Views
Elaida, Formidable? Rurouni_Kenshin - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1451 Views
How do you figure? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1200 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1399 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1303 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1273 Views
Ignore *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 885 Views
Oh yeah, and... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1524 Views
Egwene in this chapter... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1434 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1554 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading ajfurst - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1423 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* AgentOrange - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1015 Views
A lot of that is the narrator Isaac - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1484 Views
The Dark One's Touch Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1504 Views
Good point! *NM* Etzel - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 921 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch Sidious - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1299 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Lanfear - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1274 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1513 Views
The Irony of Elaida dadof5 - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1415 Views
LOL, I agree. Great Lord of Chaos - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1384 Views
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