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Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives DomA Send a noteboard - 06/03/2012 01:47:08 AM
That being the group that sets out from Emond's Field in tEotW, plus their significant others, with Gawyn being a possible exception. To be honest we know that most of them survive already, Nicola's Foretelling reveals that Rand and his ladies will survive TG, Min's vision of the broken crown around Perrin means he and Faile have to survive until she gets the Saldaean crown. RJ was planning on doing more novels with Mat and Tuon.

Which of Nicola's foretellings are you referring to? And Min's vision could come true early in aMoL if Tenobia dies.


Not to mention Perrin is not in any way heir to the throne and would be far more likely to get the baton of marshall-general if and when Faile gets the throne than to ever wear that crown himself. That viewing is thus most unlikely to refer directly to him as ruler, but to the link between him and the Broken Crown of Saldaea. The last book will tell us how close the link represented by the viewing will be. For all we know, it's already fulfilled by having Perrin marry an heir to the Broken Crown and isn't representing Faile becoming Queen at all.


I don't expect Perrin to ever wear a the Broken Crown, but I do think Faile will and once she does it will fulfill the vision. Though to be honest I guess it could be fulfilled just having Perrin marry her, though that seems pretty weak to me.


IRRC, so far there has not been any viewing that was do not directly concern the person viewed. It's not about Faile but about Perrin (though obviously, it means something related to his connection to Faile). Whether it's fulfilled or not by this point is whether the Crown is a symbol of the Saldean royal line, thus representing the connection of Perrin to the Broken Crown via Faile, or if it's a symbol for Faile becoming Queen (but why Perrin had this viewing can't be that, it does not concern Perrin directly, it would rather refer to what it will mean for Perrin that his wife gains the Broken Crown). We'll know only with AMOL. If Faile becomes Queen early (but she's third in line at this point), it will have to be that. That's not the only possible meaning either: the Crown is currently on someone's head, and it could concern something arising from the meeting of Perrin and Tenobia during AMOL (such as her naming Perrin Marshall-General when Davram dies). If nothing specific happens in AMOL, we'll have to conclude it was rather about one or the other of the stages in the Faile-Perrin relationship (could be anything, from their initial meeting or the moment she slipped about the Broken Crown or their wedding - we'll never know for sure as the BC would merely have represented the Bashere).

In a few cases it's very hard to tell which of those early viewings have been fulfilled and which haven't been fulfilled. Only after the last book we will know. That Faile becomes Queen in the timeframe of the series is certainly a possibility, as Min got two other Crown viewings (Darlin, Elayne) that meant the person she viewed it for would be King/Queen. For Perrin, she didn't know the meaning or didn't share, and it would be unique for Min so far that'd she'd see a Crown for Perrin rather than in a viewing of Faile.

A similar ambiguous viewing from EOTW is for Lan, a baby and the broken towers. The debate is still open what it really meant. Personally, I believe it represents Lan's heritage, but the meaning of that is that his heritage, his oath taken by his parents at his birth (which he put aside) he would return to before the end of the series (so possibly this got fulfilled in KOD, or it represents Lan's current actions and his raising at last of the Golden Crane banner for TG. Others (who got confused about what Jordan meant by "it's about the future";) are convinced the baby can't be Lan and it must be about his heir from Nynaeve and it means Malkier will return.



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So who thinks Elayne will die in aMoL? - 29/02/2012 04:02:07 AM 1894 Views
Given the various Foretellings and Min Viewings the only way Elayne can die - 29/02/2012 05:48:50 AM 1006 Views
Dying in childbirth would be totally lame - 29/02/2012 09:34:47 AM 992 Views
There is the one vision Min had of Aveinda where she was going to have 4? babies but it was odd *NM* - 29/02/2012 04:53:46 PM 477 Views
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Or does it? - 10/03/2012 06:21:53 PM 785 Views
She's already gone from Caemlyn at the timeof the attack, at the meeting in Merrilor - 29/02/2012 05:29:27 PM 1162 Views
Going to have to agree 100% *NM* - 29/02/2012 06:42:15 PM 535 Views
I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters - 29/02/2012 10:44:29 PM 817 Views
Ok... - 01/03/2012 03:23:11 AM 865 Views
practically speaking you're correct. But this is a fantasy novel with a pro-protagonist tone - 01/03/2012 04:24:38 PM 829 Views
I disagree... - 01/03/2012 06:29:32 PM 1005 Views
not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 02/03/2012 05:51:03 AM 953 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 04/03/2012 06:46:12 PM 800 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 04/03/2012 07:32:31 PM 871 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 05/03/2012 01:54:49 AM 923 Views
is there any chance that the broken crown could refer to Manethrean? (sp?) - 05/03/2012 02:10:17 AM 912 Views
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No, I realize that - 05/03/2012 09:12:56 PM 823 Views
Re: No, I realize that - 06/03/2012 02:14:14 AM 961 Views
Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail - 06/03/2012 02:45:28 PM 792 Views
Re: Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail - 07/03/2012 03:43:59 AM 819 Views
oh pllp. clearly I haven't read much lately - 07/03/2012 02:02:20 PM 957 Views
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Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 06/03/2012 01:47:08 AM 984 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 05/03/2012 01:51:46 AM 1060 Views
I think Lan will live just to spite the character *NM* - 05/03/2012 02:11:59 AM 520 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 06/03/2012 02:35:23 AM 911 Views
RJ says otherwise - 07/03/2012 02:08:23 PM 924 Views
Re: RJ says otherwise - 08/03/2012 04:53:42 AM 1021 Views
I kind of disagree - 08/03/2012 05:21:33 AM 971 Views
Re: I kind of disagree - 08/03/2012 01:39:40 PM 918 Views
You misunderstand my point - 09/03/2012 05:31:09 AM 860 Views
Re: I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters - 01/03/2012 03:10:35 PM 1001 Views
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they're not main characters either - 02/03/2012 05:58:13 AM 927 Views
I wouldn't even consider Morgase to be a MAIN character. - 02/03/2012 12:28:41 PM 952 Views
Verin is the most significant character to die that I recall - 01/03/2012 04:50:51 PM 926 Views
Hope or think? *NM* - 01/03/2012 06:30:58 PM 476 Views
Oh God I hope she does *NM* - 02/03/2012 01:48:46 AM 684 Views
i don't think she will....just hoping. *NM* - 04/03/2012 09:55:06 AM 600 Views
It's fairly doubtful - 04/03/2012 04:34:01 PM 1019 Views
Agreed. - 04/03/2012 06:37:25 PM 752 Views
Re: Agreed. - 04/03/2012 08:38:45 PM 896 Views
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I'm very suspicious of the whole "Callandor" theory.... - 06/03/2012 03:27:05 AM 1119 Views
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Re: I have wondered for a long time if the Ogier, Rand, Aiel and the Tinkers won't end up - 06/03/2012 03:10:45 PM 963 Views
We have similar thought processes on this *NM* - 07/03/2012 01:47:39 PM 432 Views
I don't see Singing playing any role in TG - 08/03/2012 05:08:24 AM 770 Views
Have you read ToM? - 08/03/2012 07:52:46 AM 851 Views
Re: I don't see Singing playing any role in TG - 08/03/2012 02:07:31 PM 855 Views
I expect Rand to "die" - 05/03/2012 02:07:55 AM 769 Views

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