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It's fairly doubtful DomA Send a noteboard - 04/03/2012 04:34:01 PM
Elayne's delivery is still several months away in story time. It won't happen before the LB for sure, and while it's possible the war lasts several months and she delivers during it, the most likely outcome is that Elayne will give birth only in the "epilogue" chapters of the book dealing with post LB events.

If that's the case, there's not much Jordan could gain from killing Elayne in childbirth or another way except pissing off readers who, after 14 books and once the LB is over, will be quite eager to get all the details they can about the future lives of the main players. The small doubt that exists is that from a mythological perspective, if Elayne's twins are in any way implied to be the Heroes whose birth herald a new age (eg: if these two don't show up at the LB - RJ said the souls join the body at the time of conception, so the absence of the pair at the LB don't necessitate Elayne giving birth before the SG events) in many similar myth, the mother/father represent the previous stage/Age and die to leave the place to their offspring (old and new Ages don't co-exist). But this can also be represented through the death of Rand, for instance, or even his "retirement" to a private life.

Killing a main character in WOT isn't something Jordan would have planned lightly, especially not in the epilogue section where we might expect his primary goal would be to set the "open ended" post LB lives of the characters.

Contrary to most, it seems, I find it quite possible Jordan has planned to kill a main character during the LB, where the dramatic impact would be the highest. It could possibly be one of the EF gang, in which case Rand remains the most likely candidate, though I wouldn't rule out Perrin, Egwene or Nynaeve as possibilities as well (we know it can't happen with Mat, for obvious reasons). Killing off a main player early in the LB would be an extremely effective plot device. It would be unexpected and would destroy the whole notion that the main cast is "safe" in the part of the series where that impression of "safety" would be detrimental to suspense and dramatic impact. If RJ has planned something like this, I'd place my bet on Nynaeve being his choice for that.


Perrin would be quite a twist, as most of the series has dealt with his fears of losing Faile, with points like how she would come back to haunt him if he didn't remarry. That Faile would find herself a widow (and pregnant) would be quite a twist. The odds for that happening aren't high, of course (it wouldn't have any impact otherwise!).

Egwene's main mission through the series will soon be over (reach a milestone, anyway), in the sense that once she's welcome back the male AS, the missing elements in her "alliance" and bringing a main theme of the series full circle (this is also represented through her relationship with Gawyn... first letting Rand go, then accepting a relationship - something she wasn't quite sure she wanted early on, and now Egwene is hesitating again though it's pretty obvious this will get solved, and will be echoed with full acceptance of the male channelers by the female ones) and once the reunited channelers have fought the LB, all the "seeds" will have been planted, and the rest is rebuilding. It does seem more likely that Jordan will leave Egwene continue the work and just put quite a few open ended challenges in front of her, and it's through her last POV we will get our vision of what the AS might become in the next decades, and what Egwene hopes they become in the new age beginning. But it's not impossible he had decided to "retire" Egwene, or has planned a more dramatic exit such as her death during TG (which would introduce a threat to her "legacy" at the Tower, and a challenge for the AS not to return to the old ways instead of continuing on the paths Egwene is trying to set. It could make a suitable "open ending" for the WT affairs, especially with Logain involved).

Nynaeve can also easily die, though I find it far more likely she's made a widow (which maybe why Jordan defies expectations and kills her off, or kill off both Lan and her).

As for the "main secondary cast", including all those close the main players (partners, friends, allies etc.), they're all "fair game" and no doubt Jordan has planned for quite a few of them to die during the LB. He's kept a massive cast alive through 14 books, and little would give Tarmon Gai'don a proper end of times/apocalyptic tone and dramatic impact than if Jordan suddenly started killing off a lot of his "expendable" players (it's mostly, almost exclusively, players from the main cast who are needed up to the end). I suspect he had a list of those he made sure to provide a big enough role through the series so their deaths would really count dramatically (and substitute for the fact he can't really kill more than one or two "main players";). Building up/making sympathetic characters more than demanded by the plot in order to increase the dramatic impact when he killed them off was a device he's used quite a few times already for more minor figures like Adeleas and Vandene, Reane Corly, Ingtar, Jain Farstrider, Verin and so on, and I'm pretty sure he's done the same, just more elaborately, with far more "important" players who will die during the LB (I'm pretty convinced he's even formed couples in order to make widows/widowers later). The list of the secondary cast that could go down in the LB is much, much too long to enumerate, though I'm thinking of characters of the status of Siuan, Thom, Moiraine, Morgase, Tam, Berelain and so on.

As for Cadsuane, who seems destined to die a heroic death in TG, personally I find it more amusing/interesting if contrary to all expectations she survives the LB and faces the challenge afterward that she's but middle-aged and once the binding is removed she may live 300 more years... but having her die fulfilling her purpose as a Green Sister after a life of preparation is more "classic".

We'll see. I expect a rather high death toll, mostly because Jordan has kept around such a huge cast until his final apocalypse, but I expect it will be fairly light when it comes to main players. It could well be none and they'll only have close calls, but I tend to expect one or two deaths.
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So who thinks Elayne will die in aMoL? - 29/02/2012 04:02:07 AM 1894 Views
Given the various Foretellings and Min Viewings the only way Elayne can die - 29/02/2012 05:48:50 AM 1005 Views
Dying in childbirth would be totally lame - 29/02/2012 09:34:47 AM 991 Views
There is the one vision Min had of Aveinda where she was going to have 4? babies but it was odd *NM* - 29/02/2012 04:53:46 PM 477 Views
That's nothing to do with Elayne - 29/02/2012 05:19:39 PM 988 Views
Or does it? - 10/03/2012 06:21:53 PM 785 Views
She's already gone from Caemlyn at the timeof the attack, at the meeting in Merrilor - 29/02/2012 05:29:27 PM 1161 Views
Going to have to agree 100% *NM* - 29/02/2012 06:42:15 PM 534 Views
I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters - 29/02/2012 10:44:29 PM 817 Views
Ok... - 01/03/2012 03:23:11 AM 865 Views
practically speaking you're correct. But this is a fantasy novel with a pro-protagonist tone - 01/03/2012 04:24:38 PM 829 Views
I disagree... - 01/03/2012 06:29:32 PM 1005 Views
not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 02/03/2012 05:51:03 AM 952 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 04/03/2012 06:46:12 PM 799 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 04/03/2012 07:32:31 PM 871 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 05/03/2012 01:54:49 AM 923 Views
is there any chance that the broken crown could refer to Manethrean? (sp?) - 05/03/2012 02:10:17 AM 912 Views
Perrin bringing Manthrean back seems unlikely - 05/03/2012 04:28:57 PM 909 Views
No, I realize that - 05/03/2012 09:12:56 PM 823 Views
Re: No, I realize that - 06/03/2012 02:14:14 AM 961 Views
Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail - 06/03/2012 02:45:28 PM 792 Views
Re: Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail - 07/03/2012 03:43:59 AM 818 Views
oh pllp. clearly I haven't read much lately - 07/03/2012 02:02:20 PM 956 Views
- 09/03/2012 12:43:57 PM 785 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 06/03/2012 01:47:08 AM 983 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 05/03/2012 01:51:46 AM 1060 Views
I think Lan will live just to spite the character *NM* - 05/03/2012 02:11:59 AM 520 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 06/03/2012 02:35:23 AM 910 Views
RJ says otherwise - 07/03/2012 02:08:23 PM 924 Views
Re: RJ says otherwise - 08/03/2012 04:53:42 AM 1020 Views
I kind of disagree - 08/03/2012 05:21:33 AM 971 Views
Re: I kind of disagree - 08/03/2012 01:39:40 PM 918 Views
You misunderstand my point - 09/03/2012 05:31:09 AM 860 Views
Re: I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters - 01/03/2012 03:10:35 PM 1001 Views
I didn't know Naelson was a Darkfriend, or Tylin either. What about Jaim? - 02/03/2012 01:45:57 AM 1021 Views
they're not main characters either - 02/03/2012 05:58:13 AM 926 Views
I wouldn't even consider Morgase to be a MAIN character. - 02/03/2012 12:28:41 PM 951 Views
Verin is the most significant character to die that I recall - 01/03/2012 04:50:51 PM 926 Views
Hope or think? *NM* - 01/03/2012 06:30:58 PM 476 Views
Oh God I hope she does *NM* - 02/03/2012 01:48:46 AM 684 Views
i don't think she will....just hoping. *NM* - 04/03/2012 09:55:06 AM 599 Views
It's fairly doubtful - 04/03/2012 04:34:01 PM 1019 Views
Agreed. - 04/03/2012 06:37:25 PM 752 Views
Re: Agreed. - 04/03/2012 08:38:45 PM 896 Views
I expect Moiraine to be the second woman to link with Rand - 05/03/2012 02:08:44 AM 874 Views
I'm very suspicious of the whole "Callandor" theory.... - 06/03/2012 03:27:05 AM 1119 Views
I have wondered for a long time if the Ogier, Rand, Aiel and the Tinkers won't end up - 06/03/2012 04:04:13 AM 686 Views
Re: I have wondered for a long time if the Ogier, Rand, Aiel and the Tinkers won't end up - 06/03/2012 03:10:45 PM 962 Views
We have similar thought processes on this *NM* - 07/03/2012 01:47:39 PM 431 Views
I don't see Singing playing any role in TG - 08/03/2012 05:08:24 AM 769 Views
Have you read ToM? - 08/03/2012 07:52:46 AM 850 Views
Re: I don't see Singing playing any role in TG - 08/03/2012 02:07:31 PM 855 Views
I expect Rand to "die" - 05/03/2012 02:07:55 AM 769 Views

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