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I disagree... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 01/03/2012 06:29:32 PM
The books are not "pro-protagonist". They're pro plot. RJ decided on the ending well before much of the series was written, and so the series has focused on getting these characters ready for that ending, and they have survived. To explain this, RJ came up with the concept of ta'veren. But both that concept and the need to keep characters alive is voided with the LB.

With the Dark One increasing in strength, the Pattern is increasingly chaotic. That in itself is going to weaken any protection it might have offered to its chosen players.

For another, RJ is a war vet, and his experiences have very strongly guided the thematic elements of this series. I strongly doubt he would cheapen the LB by just having everyone survive.

The clearest indication that things will be different when it is the DO who's calling the shots was Verin's statement about how this war wasn't being fought on a level Rand (read: the readers) appreciated. The fights with the Foresaken, the battles for thrones and power... these were sideshows, not the true war. Which is why the survival of characters through those shouldn't be taken to mean they'll survive an assault on Shayol Ghul.
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So who thinks Elayne will die in aMoL? - 29/02/2012 04:02:07 AM 1966 Views
Given the various Foretellings and Min Viewings the only way Elayne can die - 29/02/2012 05:48:50 AM 1065 Views
Dying in childbirth would be totally lame - 29/02/2012 09:34:47 AM 1060 Views
There is the one vision Min had of Aveinda where she was going to have 4? babies but it was odd *NM* - 29/02/2012 04:53:46 PM 501 Views
That's nothing to do with Elayne - 29/02/2012 05:19:39 PM 1044 Views
Or does it? - 10/03/2012 06:21:53 PM 864 Views
She's already gone from Caemlyn at the timeof the attack, at the meeting in Merrilor - 29/02/2012 05:29:27 PM 1228 Views
Going to have to agree 100% *NM* - 29/02/2012 06:42:15 PM 560 Views
I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters - 29/02/2012 10:44:29 PM 885 Views
Ok... - 01/03/2012 03:23:11 AM 932 Views
practically speaking you're correct. But this is a fantasy novel with a pro-protagonist tone - 01/03/2012 04:24:38 PM 889 Views
I disagree... - 01/03/2012 06:29:32 PM 1071 Views
not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 02/03/2012 05:51:03 AM 1029 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 04/03/2012 06:46:12 PM 872 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 04/03/2012 07:32:31 PM 944 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 05/03/2012 01:54:49 AM 1005 Views
is there any chance that the broken crown could refer to Manethrean? (sp?) - 05/03/2012 02:10:17 AM 987 Views
Perrin bringing Manthrean back seems unlikely - 05/03/2012 04:28:57 PM 985 Views
No, I realize that - 05/03/2012 09:12:56 PM 877 Views
Re: No, I realize that - 06/03/2012 02:14:14 AM 1031 Views
Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail - 06/03/2012 02:45:28 PM 859 Views
Re: Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail - 07/03/2012 03:43:59 AM 881 Views
oh pllp. clearly I haven't read much lately - 07/03/2012 02:02:20 PM 1014 Views
- 09/03/2012 12:43:57 PM 865 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 06/03/2012 01:47:08 AM 1063 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 05/03/2012 01:51:46 AM 1133 Views
I think Lan will live just to spite the character *NM* - 05/03/2012 02:11:59 AM 550 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 06/03/2012 02:35:23 AM 972 Views
RJ says otherwise - 07/03/2012 02:08:23 PM 990 Views
Re: RJ says otherwise - 08/03/2012 04:53:42 AM 1083 Views
I kind of disagree - 08/03/2012 05:21:33 AM 1036 Views
Re: I kind of disagree - 08/03/2012 01:39:40 PM 984 Views
You misunderstand my point - 09/03/2012 05:31:09 AM 933 Views
Re: I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters - 01/03/2012 03:10:35 PM 1071 Views
I didn't know Naelson was a Darkfriend, or Tylin either. What about Jaim? - 02/03/2012 01:45:57 AM 1055 Views
they're not main characters either - 02/03/2012 05:58:13 AM 996 Views
I wouldn't even consider Morgase to be a MAIN character. - 02/03/2012 12:28:41 PM 996 Views
Verin is the most significant character to die that I recall - 01/03/2012 04:50:51 PM 988 Views
Hope or think? *NM* - 01/03/2012 06:30:58 PM 505 Views
Oh God I hope she does *NM* - 02/03/2012 01:48:46 AM 710 Views
i don't think she will....just hoping. *NM* - 04/03/2012 09:55:06 AM 625 Views
It's fairly doubtful - 04/03/2012 04:34:01 PM 1083 Views
Agreed. - 04/03/2012 06:37:25 PM 823 Views
Re: Agreed. - 04/03/2012 08:38:45 PM 971 Views
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Re: I have wondered for a long time if the Ogier, Rand, Aiel and the Tinkers won't end up - 06/03/2012 03:10:45 PM 1028 Views
We have similar thought processes on this *NM* - 07/03/2012 01:47:39 PM 461 Views
I don't see Singing playing any role in TG - 08/03/2012 05:08:24 AM 829 Views
Have you read ToM? - 08/03/2012 07:52:46 AM 927 Views
Re: I don't see Singing playing any role in TG - 08/03/2012 02:07:31 PM 928 Views
I expect Rand to "die" - 05/03/2012 02:07:55 AM 848 Views

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