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I disagree... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 01/03/2012 06:29:32 PM
The books are not "pro-protagonist". They're pro plot. RJ decided on the ending well before much of the series was written, and so the series has focused on getting these characters ready for that ending, and they have survived. To explain this, RJ came up with the concept of ta'veren. But both that concept and the need to keep characters alive is voided with the LB.

With the Dark One increasing in strength, the Pattern is increasingly chaotic. That in itself is going to weaken any protection it might have offered to its chosen players.

For another, RJ is a war vet, and his experiences have very strongly guided the thematic elements of this series. I strongly doubt he would cheapen the LB by just having everyone survive.

The clearest indication that things will be different when it is the DO who's calling the shots was Verin's statement about how this war wasn't being fought on a level Rand (read: the readers) appreciated. The fights with the Foresaken, the battles for thrones and power... these were sideshows, not the true war. Which is why the survival of characters through those shouldn't be taken to mean they'll survive an assault on Shayol Ghul.
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Going to have to agree 100% *NM* - 29/02/2012 06:42:15 PM 534 Views
I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters - 29/02/2012 10:44:29 PM 817 Views
Ok... - 01/03/2012 03:23:11 AM 865 Views
practically speaking you're correct. But this is a fantasy novel with a pro-protagonist tone - 01/03/2012 04:24:38 PM 828 Views
I disagree... - 01/03/2012 06:29:32 PM 1005 Views
not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 02/03/2012 05:51:03 AM 952 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 04/03/2012 06:46:12 PM 799 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 04/03/2012 07:32:31 PM 870 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 05/03/2012 01:54:49 AM 923 Views
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Re: No, I realize that - 06/03/2012 02:14:14 AM 961 Views
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Re: Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail - 07/03/2012 03:43:59 AM 818 Views
oh pllp. clearly I haven't read much lately - 07/03/2012 02:02:20 PM 956 Views
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Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 06/03/2012 01:47:08 AM 983 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 05/03/2012 01:51:46 AM 1060 Views
I think Lan will live just to spite the character *NM* - 05/03/2012 02:11:59 AM 520 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 06/03/2012 02:35:23 AM 910 Views
RJ says otherwise - 07/03/2012 02:08:23 PM 923 Views
Re: RJ says otherwise - 08/03/2012 04:53:42 AM 1020 Views
I kind of disagree - 08/03/2012 05:21:33 AM 971 Views
Re: I kind of disagree - 08/03/2012 01:39:40 PM 918 Views
You misunderstand my point - 09/03/2012 05:31:09 AM 860 Views
Re: I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters - 01/03/2012 03:10:35 PM 1000 Views
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they're not main characters either - 02/03/2012 05:58:13 AM 926 Views
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Hope or think? *NM* - 01/03/2012 06:30:58 PM 476 Views
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Re: Agreed. - 04/03/2012 08:38:45 PM 896 Views
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Re: I have wondered for a long time if the Ogier, Rand, Aiel and the Tinkers won't end up - 06/03/2012 03:10:45 PM 962 Views
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Have you read ToM? - 08/03/2012 07:52:46 AM 850 Views
Re: I don't see Singing playing any role in TG - 08/03/2012 02:07:31 PM 855 Views
I expect Rand to "die" - 05/03/2012 02:07:55 AM 768 Views

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