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I disagree... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 01/03/2012 06:29:32 PM
The books are not "pro-protagonist". They're pro plot. RJ decided on the ending well before much of the series was written, and so the series has focused on getting these characters ready for that ending, and they have survived. To explain this, RJ came up with the concept of ta'veren. But both that concept and the need to keep characters alive is voided with the LB.

With the Dark One increasing in strength, the Pattern is increasingly chaotic. That in itself is going to weaken any protection it might have offered to its chosen players.

For another, RJ is a war vet, and his experiences have very strongly guided the thematic elements of this series. I strongly doubt he would cheapen the LB by just having everyone survive.

The clearest indication that things will be different when it is the DO who's calling the shots was Verin's statement about how this war wasn't being fought on a level Rand (read: the readers) appreciated. The fights with the Foresaken, the battles for thrones and power... these were sideshows, not the true war. Which is why the survival of characters through those shouldn't be taken to mean they'll survive an assault on Shayol Ghul.
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Or does it? - 10/03/2012 06:21:53 PM 772 Views
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Going to have to agree 100% *NM* - 29/02/2012 06:42:15 PM 529 Views
I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters - 29/02/2012 10:44:29 PM 800 Views
Ok... - 01/03/2012 03:23:11 AM 853 Views
practically speaking you're correct. But this is a fantasy novel with a pro-protagonist tone - 01/03/2012 04:24:38 PM 815 Views
I disagree... - 01/03/2012 06:29:32 PM 995 Views
not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 02/03/2012 05:51:03 AM 943 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 04/03/2012 06:46:12 PM 791 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 04/03/2012 07:32:31 PM 857 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 05/03/2012 01:54:49 AM 911 Views
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Perrin bringing Manthrean back seems unlikely - 05/03/2012 04:28:57 PM 900 Views
No, I realize that - 05/03/2012 09:12:56 PM 807 Views
Re: No, I realize that - 06/03/2012 02:14:14 AM 951 Views
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Re: Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail - 07/03/2012 03:43:59 AM 806 Views
oh pllp. clearly I haven't read much lately - 07/03/2012 02:02:20 PM 947 Views
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Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 06/03/2012 01:47:08 AM 968 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 05/03/2012 01:51:46 AM 1046 Views
I think Lan will live just to spite the character *NM* - 05/03/2012 02:11:59 AM 512 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives - 06/03/2012 02:35:23 AM 902 Views
RJ says otherwise - 07/03/2012 02:08:23 PM 912 Views
Re: RJ says otherwise - 08/03/2012 04:53:42 AM 1004 Views
I kind of disagree - 08/03/2012 05:21:33 AM 959 Views
Re: I kind of disagree - 08/03/2012 01:39:40 PM 905 Views
You misunderstand my point - 09/03/2012 05:31:09 AM 849 Views
Re: I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters - 01/03/2012 03:10:35 PM 986 Views
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they're not main characters either - 02/03/2012 05:58:13 AM 913 Views
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Verin is the most significant character to die that I recall - 01/03/2012 04:50:51 PM 913 Views
Hope or think? *NM* - 01/03/2012 06:30:58 PM 468 Views
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Re: Agreed. - 04/03/2012 08:38:45 PM 884 Views
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Re: I have wondered for a long time if the Ogier, Rand, Aiel and the Tinkers won't end up - 06/03/2012 03:10:45 PM 953 Views
We have similar thought processes on this *NM* - 07/03/2012 01:47:39 PM 424 Views
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Have you read ToM? - 08/03/2012 07:52:46 AM 836 Views
Re: I don't see Singing playing any role in TG - 08/03/2012 02:07:31 PM 846 Views
I expect Rand to "die" - 05/03/2012 02:07:55 AM 759 Views

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