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She's already gone from Caemlyn at the timeof the attack, at the meeting in Merrilor Cannoli Send a noteboard - 29/02/2012 05:29:27 PM

Was reading KoD the other day, and one of the things that kept jumping out at me was Min's vision, and how Elayne keeps using it to put herself in harm's way with little caution. Indeed she keeps insisting that no harm will come to her until the babes are born. I got the suspicion that RJ was giving us a little hint, and couldn't shake it out of my head.

She could also be doing exactly what a sane person does when they receive such a guarantee, and others are using invalid & unfounded concerns for her safety to interfere with her job.

With the imminent attack of Caemlyn by Shadowspawn coming in aMoL, can it be possible that Elayne won't survive? If the Trolloc horde overrun Andor, it would give the Shadow a prime foothold in the heart of the westlands. Knowing Elayne, she would probably insist on standing her ground during the invasion rather than fleeing the city via gateway. But still she must survive to fulfill the vision of the three women on a boat (unless one of the three is not elayne). Now even if they don't manage to fend off the Shadow army from Caemlyn, that leaves Min's vision of Elayne's twins. Do we know how far along she is in her pregnancy? I kept getting the feeling that RJ was alluding to her dying in childbirth, but it might also just mean nothing. What do you guys think?

It's possible she could die in childbirth, but that does not invalidate the viewing. I don't think there's any foreshadowing one way or another. I think all that RJ is trying to do is pile difficulties on her to make the struggle for the throne all the more frustrating for her, and demonstrating how she plays by rules, even when she does not have to. Just as she could use her One Power advantages to win the war without violating the letter of the Three Oaths, she also could blow everyone off, but tolerates an unprecedented level of security despite a having a certain assurance of survival for nine more months. I think that's all that was going on. There are too many other things suggesting her survival to assume some perverse surprise twist on the viewing.

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So who thinks Elayne will die in aMoL? mogi67 - 29/02/2012 04:02:07 AM 2265 Views

Given the various Foretellings and Min Viewings the only way Elayne can die darius_sedai - 29/02/2012 05:48:50 AM 1366 Views

Dying in childbirth would be totally lame Zeratul - 29/02/2012 09:34:47 AM 1364 Views

There is the one vision Min had of Aveinda where she was going to have 4? babies but it was odd *NM* Nolan - 29/02/2012 04:53:46 PM 701 Views

That's nothing to do with Elayne Cannoli - 29/02/2012 05:19:39 PM 1369 Views

Or does it? JasonD - 10/03/2012 06:21:53 PM 1178 Views

She's already gone from Caemlyn at the timeof the attack, at the meeting in Merrilor Cannoli - 29/02/2012 05:29:27 PM 1587 Views

Going to have to agree 100% *NM* Myrdhyn - 29/02/2012 06:42:15 PM 751 Views

I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 10:44:29 PM 1178 Views

Ok... fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 03:23:11 AM 1270 Views

practically speaking you're correct. But this is a fantasy novel with a pro-protagonist tone LadyLorraine - 01/03/2012 04:24:38 PM 1189 Views

I disagree... fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 06:29:32 PM 1387 Views

not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives Jim - 02/03/2012 05:51:03 AM 1336 Views

Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives fionwe1987 - 04/03/2012 06:46:12 PM 1182 Views

Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives DomA - 04/03/2012 07:32:31 PM 1248 Views

Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives Jim - 05/03/2012 01:54:49 AM 1324 Views

is there any chance that the broken crown could refer to Manethrean? (sp?) LadyLorraine - 05/03/2012 02:10:17 AM 1327 Views

Perrin bringing Manthrean back seems unlikely Jim - 05/03/2012 04:28:57 PM 1290 Views

No, I realize that LadyLorraine - 05/03/2012 09:12:56 PM 1223 Views

Re: No, I realize that DomA - 06/03/2012 02:14:14 AM 1396 Views

Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail LadyLorraine - 06/03/2012 02:45:28 PM 1179 Views

Re: Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail DomA - 07/03/2012 03:43:59 AM 1194 Views

oh pllp. clearly I haven't read much lately

LadyLorraine - 07/03/2012 02:02:20 PM 1320 Views

DomA - 09/03/2012 12:43:57 PM 1224 Views

Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives DomA - 06/03/2012 01:47:08 AM 1383 Views

Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives Jim - 05/03/2012 01:51:46 AM 1450 Views

I think Lan will live just to spite the character

*NM* LadyLorraine - 05/03/2012 02:11:59 AM 756 Views

Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives DomA - 06/03/2012 02:35:23 AM 1289 Views

RJ says otherwise darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 02:08:23 PM 1304 Views

Re: RJ says otherwise DomA - 08/03/2012 04:53:42 AM 1376 Views

I kind of disagree Jim - 08/03/2012 05:21:33 AM 1399 Views

Re: I kind of disagree DomA - 08/03/2012 01:39:40 PM 1334 Views

You misunderstand my point darius_sedai - 09/03/2012 05:31:09 AM 1220 Views

Re: You misunderstand my point DomA - 09/03/2012 12:40:29 PM 1614 Views

Agreed. For all we know the baby image could be Lan meeting the oath taken for him by raising darius_sedai - 09/03/2012 01:23:06 PM 1167 Views

No one mourned or cheered when Dobraine was dying. *NM* fionwe1987 - 09/03/2012 04:12:39 PM 948 Views

Re: Agreed. For all we know the baby image could be Lan meeting the oath taken for him by raising DomA - 09/03/2012 07:18:41 PM 1556 Views

Re: I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/03/2012 03:10:35 PM 1387 Views

I didn't know Naelson was a Darkfriend, or Tylin either. What about Jaim? Hieshyn - 02/03/2012 01:45:57 AM 1514 Views

they're not main characters either Jim - 02/03/2012 05:58:13 AM 1331 Views

I wouldn't even consider Morgase to be a MAIN character. Evil_Monkey - 02/03/2012 12:28:41 PM 1286 Views

Yes. I am classifying Main Characters as Rand, Egwene, Elayne, Perrin, Mat, Avi, Min and Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/03/2012 05:42:58 PM 1060 Views

Verin is the most significant character to die that I recall darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 04:50:51 PM 1304 Views

Re: I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters Praziquantel - 02/03/2012 12:53:41 AM 1198 Views

And you think she won't hop back to Caemlyn the moment word comes of the attack? *NM* fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 03:22:11 AM 679 Views

No, she won't be able to weave the gateway and Rand won't let anyone make her one. *NM* Hieshyn - 02/03/2012 01:48:06 AM 828 Views

The smartass answer: Birgitte. But, despite all seeming evidence, I don't know why anyone would. *NM* Palatine - 01/03/2012 04:36:22 PM 830 Views

Hope or think?

*NM* Anonymous2000 - 01/03/2012 06:30:58 PM 683 Views

Oh God I hope she does *NM* Hieshyn - 02/03/2012 01:48:46 AM 919 Views

i don't think she will....just hoping. *NM* moridin15 - 04/03/2012 09:55:06 AM 851 Views

It's fairly doubtful DomA - 04/03/2012 04:34:01 PM 1438 Views

Agreed. fionwe1987 - 04/03/2012 06:37:25 PM 1145 Views

Re: Agreed. DomA - 04/03/2012 08:38:45 PM 1322 Views

I expect Moiraine to be the second woman to link with Rand Jim - 05/03/2012 02:08:44 AM 1285 Views

I'm very suspicious of the whole "Callandor" theory.... DomA - 06/03/2012 03:27:05 AM 1545 Views

I have wondered for a long time if the Ogier, Rand, Aiel and the Tinkers won't end up darius_sedai - 06/03/2012 04:04:13 AM 1091 Views

Re: I have wondered for a long time if the Ogier, Rand, Aiel and the Tinkers won't end up DomA - 06/03/2012 03:10:45 PM 1500 Views

We have similar thought processes on this *NM* darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 01:47:39 PM 685 Views

I don't see Singing playing any role in TG Jim - 08/03/2012 05:08:24 AM 1135 Views

Have you read ToM? fionwe1987 - 08/03/2012 07:52:46 AM 1235 Views

Re: I don't see Singing playing any role in TG DomA - 08/03/2012 02:07:31 PM 1297 Views

I expect Rand to "die" Jim - 05/03/2012 02:07:55 AM 1188 Views

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<quote>Was reading KoD the other day, and one of the things that kept jumping out at me was Min's vision, and how Elayne keeps using it to put herself in harm's way with little caution. Indeed she keeps insisting that no harm will come to her until the babes are born. I got the suspicion that RJ was giving us a little hint, and couldn't shake it out of my head. </quote>She could also be doing exactly what a sane person does when they receive such a guarantee, and others are using invalid & unfounded concerns for her safety to interfere with her job.

<quote>With the imminent attack of Caemlyn by Shadowspawn coming in aMoL, can it be possible that Elayne won't survive? If the Trolloc horde overrun Andor, it would give the Shadow a prime foothold in the heart of the westlands. Knowing Elayne, she would probably insist on standing her ground during the invasion rather than fleeing the city via gateway. But still she must survive to fulfill the vision of the three women on a boat (unless one of the three is not elayne). Now even if they don't manage to fend off the Shadow army from Caemlyn, that leaves Min's vision of Elayne's twins. Do we know how far along she is in her pregnancy? I kept getting the feeling that RJ was alluding to her dying in childbirth, but it might also just mean nothing. What do you guys think?</quote>

It's possible she could die in childbirth, but that does not invalidate the viewing. I don't think there's any foreshadowing one way or another. I think all that RJ is trying to do is pile difficulties on her to make the struggle for the throne all the more frustrating for her, and demonstrating how she plays by rules, even when she does not have to. Just as she could use her One Power advantages to win the war without violating the letter of the Three Oaths, she also could blow everyone off, but tolerates an unprecedented level of security despite a having a certain assurance of survival for nine more months. I think that's all that was going on.  There are too many other things suggesting her survival to assume some perverse surprise twist on the viewing. 
</quote>

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