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She's already gone from Caemlyn at the timeof the attack, at the meeting in Merrilor Cannoli Send a noteboard - 29/02/2012 05:29:27 PM

Was reading KoD the other day, and one of the things that kept jumping out at me was Min's vision, and how Elayne keeps using it to put herself in harm's way with little caution. Indeed she keeps insisting that no harm will come to her until the babes are born. I got the suspicion that RJ was giving us a little hint, and couldn't shake it out of my head.

She could also be doing exactly what a sane person does when they receive such a guarantee, and others are using invalid & unfounded concerns for her safety to interfere with her job.

With the imminent attack of Caemlyn by Shadowspawn coming in aMoL, can it be possible that Elayne won't survive? If the Trolloc horde overrun Andor, it would give the Shadow a prime foothold in the heart of the westlands. Knowing Elayne, she would probably insist on standing her ground during the invasion rather than fleeing the city via gateway. But still she must survive to fulfill the vision of the three women on a boat (unless one of the three is not elayne). Now even if they don't manage to fend off the Shadow army from Caemlyn, that leaves Min's vision of Elayne's twins. Do we know how far along she is in her pregnancy? I kept getting the feeling that RJ was alluding to her dying in childbirth, but it might also just mean nothing. What do you guys think?

It's possible she could die in childbirth, but that does not invalidate the viewing. I don't think there's any foreshadowing one way or another. I think all that RJ is trying to do is pile difficulties on her to make the struggle for the throne all the more frustrating for her, and demonstrating how she plays by rules, even when she does not have to. Just as she could use her One Power advantages to win the war without violating the letter of the Three Oaths, she also could blow everyone off, but tolerates an unprecedented level of security despite a having a certain assurance of survival for nine more months. I think that's all that was going on. There are too many other things suggesting her survival to assume some perverse surprise twist on the viewing.

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So who thinks Elayne will die in aMoL? mogi67 - 29/02/2012 04:02:07 AM 1885 Views

Given the various Foretellings and Min Viewings the only way Elayne can die darius_sedai - 29/02/2012 05:48:50 AM 995 Views

Dying in childbirth would be totally lame Zeratul - 29/02/2012 09:34:47 AM 981 Views

There is the one vision Min had of Aveinda where she was going to have 4? babies but it was odd *NM* Nolan - 29/02/2012 04:53:46 PM 470 Views

That's nothing to do with Elayne Cannoli - 29/02/2012 05:19:39 PM 971 Views

Or does it? JasonD - 10/03/2012 06:21:53 PM 772 Views

She's already gone from Caemlyn at the timeof the attack, at the meeting in Merrilor Cannoli - 29/02/2012 05:29:27 PM 1147 Views

Going to have to agree 100% *NM* Myrdhyn - 29/02/2012 06:42:15 PM 529 Views

I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 10:44:29 PM 800 Views

Ok... fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 03:23:11 AM 853 Views

practically speaking you're correct. But this is a fantasy novel with a pro-protagonist tone LadyLorraine - 01/03/2012 04:24:38 PM 815 Views

I disagree... fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 06:29:32 PM 994 Views

not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives Jim - 02/03/2012 05:51:03 AM 943 Views

Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives fionwe1987 - 04/03/2012 06:46:12 PM 791 Views

Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives DomA - 04/03/2012 07:32:31 PM 857 Views

Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives Jim - 05/03/2012 01:54:49 AM 911 Views

is there any chance that the broken crown could refer to Manethrean? (sp?) LadyLorraine - 05/03/2012 02:10:17 AM 900 Views

Perrin bringing Manthrean back seems unlikely Jim - 05/03/2012 04:28:57 PM 900 Views

No, I realize that LadyLorraine - 05/03/2012 09:12:56 PM 807 Views

Re: No, I realize that DomA - 06/03/2012 02:14:14 AM 951 Views

Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail LadyLorraine - 06/03/2012 02:45:28 PM 782 Views

Re: Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail DomA - 07/03/2012 03:43:59 AM 806 Views

oh pllp. clearly I haven't read much lately

LadyLorraine - 07/03/2012 02:02:20 PM 947 Views

DomA - 09/03/2012 12:43:57 PM 766 Views

Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives DomA - 06/03/2012 01:47:08 AM 968 Views

Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives Jim - 05/03/2012 01:51:46 AM 1046 Views

I think Lan will live just to spite the character

*NM* LadyLorraine - 05/03/2012 02:11:59 AM 512 Views

Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives DomA - 06/03/2012 02:35:23 AM 902 Views

RJ says otherwise darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 02:08:23 PM 912 Views

Re: RJ says otherwise DomA - 08/03/2012 04:53:42 AM 1004 Views

I kind of disagree Jim - 08/03/2012 05:21:33 AM 959 Views

Re: I kind of disagree DomA - 08/03/2012 01:39:40 PM 905 Views

You misunderstand my point darius_sedai - 09/03/2012 05:31:09 AM 849 Views

Re: You misunderstand my point DomA - 09/03/2012 12:40:29 PM 1209 Views

Agreed. For all we know the baby image could be Lan meeting the oath taken for him by raising darius_sedai - 09/03/2012 01:23:06 PM 806 Views

No one mourned or cheered when Dobraine was dying. *NM* fionwe1987 - 09/03/2012 04:12:39 PM 667 Views

Re: Agreed. For all we know the baby image could be Lan meeting the oath taken for him by raising DomA - 09/03/2012 07:18:41 PM 1069 Views

Re: I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/03/2012 03:10:35 PM 985 Views

I didn't know Naelson was a Darkfriend, or Tylin either. What about Jaim? Hieshyn - 02/03/2012 01:45:57 AM 1013 Views

they're not main characters either Jim - 02/03/2012 05:58:13 AM 913 Views

I wouldn't even consider Morgase to be a MAIN character. Evil_Monkey - 02/03/2012 12:28:41 PM 939 Views

Yes. I am classifying Main Characters as Rand, Egwene, Elayne, Perrin, Mat, Avi, Min and Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/03/2012 05:42:58 PM 692 Views

Verin is the most significant character to die that I recall darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 04:50:51 PM 913 Views

Re: I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters Praziquantel - 02/03/2012 12:53:41 AM 829 Views

And you think she won't hop back to Caemlyn the moment word comes of the attack? *NM* fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 03:22:11 AM 467 Views

No, she won't be able to weave the gateway and Rand won't let anyone make her one. *NM* Hieshyn - 02/03/2012 01:48:06 AM 598 Views

The smartass answer: Birgitte. But, despite all seeming evidence, I don't know why anyone would. *NM* Palatine - 01/03/2012 04:36:22 PM 573 Views

Hope or think?

*NM* Anonymous2000 - 01/03/2012 06:30:58 PM 468 Views

Oh God I hope she does *NM* Hieshyn - 02/03/2012 01:48:46 AM 679 Views

i don't think she will....just hoping. *NM* moridin15 - 04/03/2012 09:55:06 AM 593 Views

It's fairly doubtful DomA - 04/03/2012 04:34:01 PM 1003 Views

Agreed. fionwe1987 - 04/03/2012 06:37:25 PM 737 Views

Re: Agreed. DomA - 04/03/2012 08:38:45 PM 884 Views

I expect Moiraine to be the second woman to link with Rand Jim - 05/03/2012 02:08:44 AM 865 Views

I'm very suspicious of the whole "Callandor" theory.... DomA - 06/03/2012 03:27:05 AM 1109 Views

I have wondered for a long time if the Ogier, Rand, Aiel and the Tinkers won't end up darius_sedai - 06/03/2012 04:04:13 AM 671 Views

Re: I have wondered for a long time if the Ogier, Rand, Aiel and the Tinkers won't end up DomA - 06/03/2012 03:10:45 PM 953 Views

We have similar thought processes on this *NM* darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 01:47:39 PM 424 Views

I don't see Singing playing any role in TG Jim - 08/03/2012 05:08:24 AM 760 Views

Have you read ToM? fionwe1987 - 08/03/2012 07:52:46 AM 836 Views

Re: I don't see Singing playing any role in TG DomA - 08/03/2012 02:07:31 PM 846 Views

I expect Rand to "die" Jim - 05/03/2012 02:07:55 AM 759 Views

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<quote>Was reading KoD the other day, and one of the things that kept jumping out at me was Min's vision, and how Elayne keeps using it to put herself in harm's way with little caution. Indeed she keeps insisting that no harm will come to her until the babes are born. I got the suspicion that RJ was giving us a little hint, and couldn't shake it out of my head. </quote>She could also be doing exactly what a sane person does when they receive such a guarantee, and others are using invalid & unfounded concerns for her safety to interfere with her job.

<quote>With the imminent attack of Caemlyn by Shadowspawn coming in aMoL, can it be possible that Elayne won't survive? If the Trolloc horde overrun Andor, it would give the Shadow a prime foothold in the heart of the westlands. Knowing Elayne, she would probably insist on standing her ground during the invasion rather than fleeing the city via gateway. But still she must survive to fulfill the vision of the three women on a boat (unless one of the three is not elayne). Now even if they don't manage to fend off the Shadow army from Caemlyn, that leaves Min's vision of Elayne's twins. Do we know how far along she is in her pregnancy? I kept getting the feeling that RJ was alluding to her dying in childbirth, but it might also just mean nothing. What do you guys think?</quote>

It's possible she could die in childbirth, but that does not invalidate the viewing. I don't think there's any foreshadowing one way or another. I think all that RJ is trying to do is pile difficulties on her to make the struggle for the throne all the more frustrating for her, and demonstrating how she plays by rules, even when she does not have to. Just as she could use her One Power advantages to win the war without violating the letter of the Three Oaths, she also could blow everyone off, but tolerates an unprecedented level of security despite a having a certain assurance of survival for nine more months. I think that's all that was going on.  There are too many other things suggesting her survival to assume some perverse surprise twist on the viewing. 
</quote>

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