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Not even Moraine thinks the Finns killed Lanfear LoialT Send a noteboard - 28/02/2012 09:17:30 PM
Here's the actual text from the book:

"My Power, Thom," she explained. "I could hear them barking and hissing to one another as they fed on me, both Aelfinn and Eelfinn in turn. They have not often had an Aes Sedai to themselves, it seems. While draining my ability to channel, they were fed twofold--my sorrow at what I was losing and the Power itself. My capacity has been greatly reduced.
"They claimed to have killed Lanfear by draining her too quickly, though I think they may have been trying to make me afraid. A man was there once, when they woke me. He said I was not the one he wanted." She hesitated, then shivered. "Sometimes I wished they would drain me quickly and end my life."
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"They gave you your three demands?" Mat asked, frowning.
"I passed through the ter'angreal," she said. "The ancient treaty held for both of us, though with the doorway destroyed, there was no simple return."


So we see that Moraine did see that Lanfear was alive after falling through the doorway, and that the treaty held for her too. Then while she was being fed on, she was made tastier by the frightful news that Lanfear had died this way. She didn't believe it, and Moridin's presence is pretty suggestive that it wasn't true.

The question then, is how did she die? Did the Finns agree to let her go on the condition that she was dead? Do the Finns have to keep to bargains with the Shadow? I don't see how killing her would accomplish anything for the Finns, however. They would want Moridin to give up something. Even if he was trying to trick the Finns into thinking he wanted Lanfear alive, he wouldn't risk killing her there where there was the chance she might not be transmigrated, and he knew perfectly well that he could kill her whenever he wanted. I bet he brought along a captive channeler to exchange. Then I think events proceeded like you suggest, with the utter stripping, humiliation, and enslavement of the Shadow's most vain and self-interested servant.

LoialT :]
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What did happen to Lanfear? Sidious - 23/02/2012 10:54:19 AM 2351 Views
I thought Moiraine saw Moridin or somebody in there looking for Lanfear? Cannoli - 23/02/2012 01:00:25 PM 1215 Views
Re: I thought Moiraine saw Moridin or somebody in there looking for Lanfear? Sidious - 23/02/2012 02:14:05 PM 1085 Views
do souls remain the same strength with each reincarnation though? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2012 05:45:40 PM 873 Views
We can only theorize Sidious - 24/02/2012 08:14:49 AM 955 Views
The Forsaken aren't a great parameter to judge from LadyLorraine - 24/02/2012 04:10:35 PM 803 Views
Without the Forsaken its a pointless subject Sidious - 24/02/2012 04:23:57 PM 932 Views
not all things need to be explained. LadyLorraine - 27/02/2012 04:07:21 AM 694 Views
Sanderson doesn't think this is the case darius_sedai - 26/02/2012 12:47:26 AM 896 Views
I don't think Lanfear died in Finnland DomA - 27/02/2012 02:02:31 AM 1335 Views
I assume this was meant to be a response to Sidious' original post *NM* darius_sedai - 27/02/2012 02:18:09 AM 369 Views
All this could be true and could still have died at Finnland... fionwe1987 - 27/02/2012 04:40:50 AM 723 Views
Re: All this could be true and could still have died at Finnland... DomA - 28/02/2012 04:46:41 AM 788 Views
Why so? fionwe1987 - 28/02/2012 06:33:25 AM 732 Views
I pretty much agree Sidious - 28/02/2012 07:15:26 AM 932 Views
WHen and where Lanfears original body died doesn't mean much to me darius_sedai - 28/02/2012 02:01:00 PM 685 Views
Re: WHen and where Lanfears original body died doesn't mean much to me Gartax - 28/02/2012 05:40:21 PM 659 Views
Perhaps ... But doesn't explain what they get out of killing her ... They have proven to be crafty darius_sedai - 28/02/2012 07:17:21 PM 709 Views
Well... Sidious - 28/02/2012 08:13:03 PM 794 Views
then why even negotiate with Moridin? LoialT - 28/02/2012 09:24:38 PM 824 Views
Wouldn't they have just kept her then or killed her right off the bat then? darius_sedai - 28/02/2012 09:52:49 PM 655 Views
Re: Wouldn't they have just kept her then or killed her right off the bat then? Sidious - 29/02/2012 11:28:10 AM 832 Views
Re: Wouldn't they have just kept her then or killed her right off the bat then? darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 04:51:10 AM 691 Views
Re: Why so? DomA - 28/02/2012 07:01:38 PM 837 Views
Not even Moraine thinks the Finns killed Lanfear LoialT - 28/02/2012 09:17:30 PM 1186 Views
Limits of resurrection... fionwe1987 - 29/02/2012 12:32:43 AM 988 Views
Pretty sure it was Slayer Nargs - 23/02/2012 04:10:29 PM 916 Views
He's still a minion, and would have been acting on the Shadow's behalf Cannoli - 23/02/2012 04:56:21 PM 790 Views
I corrected you. Not Moridin. It was Slayer. Nargs - 24/02/2012 08:07:17 AM 843 Views
And you know this, how? fionwe1987 - 24/02/2012 08:43:38 AM 798 Views
Really? Its absolutely obvious that it was slayer. Nargs - 10/05/2012 04:16:43 PM 1167 Views
I think it is clear enough... entyti - 23/02/2012 08:42:24 PM 935 Views
Or maybe he was not there to negotiate for her release, just get close to kill her for the soul-swap *NM* Cannoli - 23/02/2012 10:15:01 PM 449 Views
Or maybe that was the best deal he could make with them. *NM* fionwe1987 - 24/02/2012 12:17:06 AM 379 Views
always figured it was slayer who told the finns she wasn't the one he was lookin for *NM* nigelgoboom - 25/02/2012 10:15:55 PM 405 Views
Maybe they can only drain a fixed amount - and did so to both women equally... Shannow - 24/02/2012 08:32:56 PM 919 Views
Ahh, Shannow... fionwe1987 - 25/02/2012 03:51:10 AM 862 Views
I laughed too *NM* Sidious - 25/02/2012 06:54:15 AM 376 Views
Hilarious even for you darius_sedai - 26/02/2012 12:28:28 AM 798 Views
Exactly! *NM* fionwe1987 - 27/02/2012 12:19:57 AM 440 Views
Seems convoluted to me darius_sedai - 26/02/2012 12:44:18 AM 779 Views
his sanity? *NM* Yunalesca - 28/02/2012 06:07:25 PM 494 Views
HA! Sanity is overrated *NM* darius_sedai - 28/02/2012 07:21:01 PM 367 Views
I wonder if he traded a taste of the True Power? LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 12:26:56 AM 691 Views
Now that is an interesting theory! darius_sedai - 29/02/2012 05:42:22 AM 679 Views
Maybe they can use the TP LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 02:43:07 PM 867 Views
Considering how they feel about anything dealing with the shadow, Evil_Monkey - 29/02/2012 03:03:55 PM 660 Views
Why not? I believe RJ basically said they are so different from humans that we could not define darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 04:54:40 AM 766 Views
Yet Light vs. Shadow is? fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 05:17:14 AM 747 Views
That could boil down to prophesy v. Prophesy darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 05:33:52 AM 766 Views
Re: Considering how they feel about anything dealing with the shadow, DomA - 08/03/2012 09:28:52 PM 694 Views
LOVE IT ... Great thoughts! *NM* darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 04:52:38 AM 314 Views
The foxhead... fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 05:19:13 AM 764 Views
Yes, but that doesn't mean an Aes Sedai made it. LadyLorraine - 01/03/2012 04:20:10 PM 728 Views
There are others that are just as effective though .. Nynaeve has one and so does Cadsuane darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 04:53:46 PM 876 Views
My point was... fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 05:34:34 PM 604 Views
What makes you think so? darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 06:45:42 PM 720 Views
Re: What makes you think so? fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 11:22:06 PM 644 Views
Re: What makes you think so? darius_sedai - 02/03/2012 12:57:13 AM 678 Views
It depends.... DomA - 08/03/2012 09:54:45 PM 776 Views
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