Incidentally, am I the only one who finds it strange that in a novel written by an American, during this threat or revolution against a distant, irresponsible monarch we are expected to side with the monarch?
What's more, although Texas gets all the attention, Robert Jordan's home state, South Carolina, was the cradle of the notion that the smaller components of a country can tell the overall government to go f*** themselves. South Carolina was the first state to secede from the USA in 1860, and they had several times threatened to leave prior to that in response to taxes on imports (like Elayne plans to impose on the Sea Folk who seek to bring goods inland from their enclave) and which were imposed in order to protect industries in other parts of the country (in the USA, it was northern manufacturers, which did not benefit SC at all - meanwhile, we have that quote from tSR where Elayne is recalling that her mother taught her which crafts she had to "protect". Any sane economist or historian could tell the Trakands that in a pre-industrial tech level THERE IS NO SUCH THING as a craft that needs protection! ).
Anyway, the issue regarding the Two Rivers vis a vis Andor is highly analogous to that of the American colonies vs. England. England left them alone to govern their own affairs for a while (known as statutory neglect), and then, when they had begun building up into a sizable economy that was more profitable to exploit, and England was able to acquire a lot more land adjacent to them in the Seven Years War, they decided they should start telling the colonies how to manage their affairs. Despite holding their loyalties to the king even as they deplored the illegal actions his government took against them, the colonies finally fought back in defense of their natural rights, upon which the British were infringing. The Two Rivers have managed their own affairs, seen to their own defense, and have received no benefits from Andor, nor acknowledged its rule. By all the principles of natural law, "they are and of right out to be (a) free and independent state..." Elayne has the same moral right to rule the Two Rivers that an armed robber has to the goods in your house.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
Bad Elayne! No biscuit!
18/02/2012 10:13:54 PM
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You are assigning your 21st century view onto people with totally different circumstances
18/02/2012 11:33:56 PM
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You are assigning your knee-jerk assumptions to my post
19/02/2012 03:29:02 AM
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As per usual you choose to assume the people of WoT have your belief system when you comment on the
19/02/2012 05:31:57 PM
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It has nothing to do with a specific system of morality, but basic natural law.
19/02/2012 11:26:13 PM
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Where were Mat and Rand when they found Domon? In a wilderness along the RIVER.
20/02/2012 12:40:38 AM
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Re: Where were Mat and Rand when they found Domon? In a wilderness along the RIVER.
22/02/2012 01:10:54 AM
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Just read the books. Including the BWB ... It spells it out for those who care to read.
22/02/2012 02:48:45 AM
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The Queen of Andor lost all authority over the Two Rivers when she failed to protect it. *NM*
25/03/2012 02:53:23 PM
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Which is why they elected their own lord
25/03/2012 06:25:31 PM
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Yes, absolutely. I remember saying this back when I first read the book.
18/02/2012 11:44:19 PM
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No, you are not.
19/02/2012 03:44:04 AM
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Re: Yes, absolutely. I remember saying this back when I first read the book.
20/02/2012 03:11:14 AM
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Re: Yes, absolutely. I remember saying this back when I first read the book.
20/02/2012 06:22:21 AM
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Re: Yes, absolutely. I remember saying this back when I first read the book.
22/02/2012 06:23:36 PM
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Re: Yes, absolutely. I remember saying this back when I first read the book.
22/02/2012 09:03:53 PM
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"Damn sister married the Pope instead of my chosen Lord Ohsoimportant"
25/03/2012 03:50:06 PM
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Okay, I admit it, there is no way I am reading such a long post about Elayne.....
19/02/2012 08:14:53 PM
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The Caraline treatment.
25/03/2012 02:41:12 PM
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Do you Colavaer Saighan? I don't recall Caraline having her lands and titles stripped
25/03/2012 10:44:57 PM
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I think she did an admirable job protecting Andor in very challenging circumstances.
11/05/2012 12:05:25 AM
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Re: I think she did an admirable job protecting Andor in very challenging circumstances.
11/05/2012 02:10:01 AM
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Re: I think she did an admirable job protecting Andor in very challenging circumstances.
24/05/2012 06:45:19 AM
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Generally, I think both her means AND ends were correct; reconciling them was the challenge.
30/05/2012 03:55:00 AM
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