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Re: Why would the AoL Servants of All build themselves a self-aggrandizing island-city-fort-tower? LoialT Send a noteboard - 11/02/2012 07:58:40 PM
Hell, maybe there WAS some group that retained a successive connection to the AoLers and refused to go along with the domineering plans of the White Tower alliance, and were then wiped out by the 3rd age sisters, and refused to share that weave. A major idea regarding the rediscovery of Traveling has been the determination not to share it with the untrustworthy. Had I been an idealistic Aes Sedai who was taught by a woman who had been taught by one of the last Servants of All, I might have been leary of sharing my remnants of AoL knowledge with this obstreperous group that was planning world domination (for the greater good, of course), especially once they demanded I join them or forgo my use of the title granted to my teacher by her own teacher, who held under the same authority Lews Therin and company did.


I completely agree with the idea that if ANY advanced knowledge passed down from the AOL it would have been limited to very small chains of master-apprentice that would have had little fondness for the extreme and intolerant positions of the early White Tower. And even if the current level of secrecy in the AS is a more recent development, I think we are totally ignoring the overarching theme of unintended miscommunication that underpins all of WOT. Practically no one in WOT gives up valuable knowledge just for fun, and even among friends, assumptions, secrets and misunderstandings constantly work to slow the circulation of information.

Now, imagine that you are an AOL trained warrior during the breaking. What is your job? Is it to go off on your own stealing potential channelers from the wandering bands of starving humans, trying to kill insane male channelers? Or is it to PROTECT? Traveling is great when you aren't that worried about abandoning non-channelers, but unless you knew the EXACT location of a male channeler, traveling would always risk exposing the people under your charge to violence (doesn't really matter what kind). Maybe an argument could have been made that for the greater good all the AOL channelers should have stuck together, but that ignores the contingencies of real historical perspective and the social bonds that surely dominated in a world where any future was far less certain than the present.

Finally, I haven't seen anyone ask why the Wheel may have forced Traveling (and these other advanced weaves) out of use and knowledge. By removing traveling, the Wheel indirectly forced communities to coalesce in tighter, more place-specific formations. And while AS knowledge to heal and help was lost, so were the means of horrible destruction. We have no reason to believe that female channelers were not just as likely to murder friends, masters, family than other bandits, or for AS to try to crush and dominate others like in Seanchan. Balefire was also clearly eliminated as a threat by the Pattern, but against all odds, preserved in secrecy for its inevitable need during the Trolloc Wars and the Last Battle.

Even in the few years since Traveling has been rediscovered, the hugely amplified violent geographic reach of primitive armies has thrown the continent into chaos. Chaos was exactly what the Wheel would have been trying to minimize during and after the Breaking.

-LoialT :]
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Re: How did Travelling become a lost Talent? - 03/02/2012 02:49:02 PM 919 Views
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I'm really not seeing it. - 05/02/2012 04:19:38 AM 899 Views
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Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions - 04/02/2012 07:34:45 AM 1170 Views
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Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions - 05/02/2012 12:00:05 AM 891 Views
Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions - 05/02/2012 04:05:57 AM 845 Views
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Re: not to mention - 05/02/2012 08:50:50 PM 1160 Views
Re: not to mention - 05/02/2012 09:33:40 PM 869 Views
Re: I don't see why people are having trouble believing Traveling was lost in the Breaking - 05/02/2012 07:39:51 PM 1060 Views
Medical knowledge... - 06/02/2012 02:15:13 AM 749 Views
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Re: I don't see why people are having trouble believing Traveling was lost in the Breaking - 05/02/2012 09:11:04 PM 759 Views
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Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions - 05/02/2012 09:52:35 PM 934 Views
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he needs to read it just to see it for his own eyes - 14/02/2012 02:46:44 AM 718 Views
Re: he needs to read it just to see it for his own eyes - 14/02/2012 10:15:46 PM 794 Views
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Seriously! The Yellow should be ashamed - 17/02/2012 01:49:07 PM 906 Views
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98 years... - 06/02/2012 02:27:08 AM 724 Views
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Re: Why would the AoL Servants of All build themselves a self-aggrandizing island-city-fort-tower? - 11/02/2012 07:58:40 PM 894 Views
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Quote found - 12/02/2012 01:35:58 AM 709 Views
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Re: How did Travelling become a lost Talent? - 13/02/2012 12:24:35 PM 878 Views
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