Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions
Tor Send a noteboard - 04/02/2012 09:48:52 AM
this White Tower also lost track of the date and the year TWICE over the course of its history.
Do you have a source for that? Not because I'm trying to be difficult, I'm just interested to read it.
Even if someone HAD lasted from the AoL to the founding of the White Tower, there is no reason they could not STILL forget the weave. Secondly, the books say NO Aes Sedai survived the Breaking. While it might have been possible for one to survive, none did. Period.
Again, do you have the source? And how do you forget a weave (if you mean forget in the sense that you can no longer remember something you used to be able to do)? It seems to me to be like riding a bicycle. Once you know how, you don't forget. Of course, what it seems like to me isn't an argument, but at least I can't remember (heh) there being anything about forgetting weaves in the books.
And there is no reason to assume they WOULD, even if they COULD. One method used to mark the end of the Breaking is the death of the last male Aes Sedai, and female Aes Sedai could very well have been favorite targets of the madmen. Remember, these are not random nutjobs, their madness comes from the Dark One's touch and in every case we have seen, it has manifested itself as delusions which incite or inspire violence and destruction.
That's not exactly true. Fedwin Morr was certainly completely bonkers, and he didn't turn violent. Poor statistics, I know, but at least they don't turn violent in every single case.
Why not? On what do you base that rather large leap? Male channelers are widely feared and their untrained destructive capabilities are taken very seriously. In Rand's portal stone life, he can alter the course of battles with a little surreptitious channeling here or there, and his ability is untrained and unreliable, but it is enough to win enough battles for a country boy from the ass end of nowhere to rise rapidly in the ranks of the Queen's Guard. The Seanchan damane are not very skilled, but are sufficient to be the basis of the power of a continent-occupying Empire.
Sure, a few women who could channel could turn battles and so on, but my point is that if they were just a bunch of wilders who happened to run into each other, there wouldn't be very many of them. It takes a while to figure out what you're doing, learn control, maybe find a few others who can do the same thing, and then figure out how to teach someone without the spark, and so on. To me, it seems unlikely that construction of the White Tower, a building meant to house thousands of people, would have begun as early as 98 AB if channeling was invented from scratch after the breaking.
You have no basis beyond their apparent political success for assuming particular levels of skill, and even those results say nothing about about their sophistication with the Power, only their POLITICAL skills. Or maybe you know the make-up of the "Tower forming" weave?
Actually, the Tower was built with the help of the one power, so someone would, quite literally, have known the "Tower forming" weave. Of course, that isn't neccessarily a complex thing to do, and doesn't have anything to do with the rest of this argument.
Fram kamerater!
How did Travelling become a lost Talent?
- 03/02/2012 09:09:39 AM
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It is a little odd. Maybe because channelers weren't united for a while?
- 03/02/2012 02:24:17 PM
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Re: How did Travelling become a lost Talent?
- 03/02/2012 02:49:02 PM
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Hey, why don't you reference ANY place in the series a character learns ANY weave from a book?
- 04/02/2012 07:42:43 AM
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i think it could be
- 03/02/2012 07:56:18 PM
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THANK YOU!!! Are we the only ones here who can see the obvious?!
- 04/02/2012 07:40:39 AM
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Re: THANK YOU!!! Are we the only ones here who can see the obvious?!
- 04/02/2012 09:56:48 AM
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Re: THANK YOU!!! Are we the only ones here who can see the obvious?!
- 04/02/2012 01:57:10 PM
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Have you read the Big White Book? It details some of the events that happened during The Breaking
- 08/02/2012 04:27:13 PM
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It's always struck me as a tool of the Author more than a good hard fact
- 04/02/2012 01:40:06 AM
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Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions
- 04/02/2012 07:34:45 AM
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Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions
- 04/02/2012 09:48:52 AM
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Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions
- 04/02/2012 03:04:48 PM
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Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions
- 04/02/2012 06:58:41 PM
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Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions
- 05/02/2012 12:00:05 AM
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Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions
- 05/02/2012 04:05:57 AM
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I don't see why people are having trouble believing Traveling was lost in the Breaking
- 05/02/2012 05:53:32 PM
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Re: I don't see why people are having trouble believing Traveling was lost in the Breaking
- 05/02/2012 07:39:51 PM
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My point was that it's surprising only ONE Healing weave survived
- 11/02/2012 08:25:02 PM
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Re: I don't see why people are having trouble believing Traveling was lost in the Breaking
- 05/02/2012 09:11:04 PM
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I agree. I was going to respond but you covered most of the bases.
- 08/02/2012 04:13:20 PM
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Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions
- 05/02/2012 09:52:35 PM
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You really need to read the BWB sections regarding this
- 14/02/2012 01:20:20 AM
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he needs to read it just to see it for his own eyes
- 14/02/2012 02:46:44 AM
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Re: he needs to read it just to see it for his own eyes
- 14/02/2012 10:15:46 PM
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I would agree with you on less structured parts of the series
- 15/02/2012 03:38:37 PM
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Re: I would agree with you on less structured parts of the series
- 16/02/2012 09:41:29 PM
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That I can agree with
- 17/02/2012 05:46:49 AM
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Re: That I can agree with
- 17/02/2012 09:26:50 AM
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Seriously! The Yellow should be ashamed
- 17/02/2012 01:49:07 PM
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Well to be fair to the Yellow (which generally annoy me as an Ajah)...
- 17/02/2012 06:20:06 PM
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Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions
- 05/02/2012 09:02:28 PM
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Why would the AoL Servants of All build themselves a self-aggrandizing island-city-fort-tower?
- 08/02/2012 03:03:49 PM
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Re: Why would the AoL Servants of All build themselves a self-aggrandizing island-city-fort-tower?
- 09/02/2012 10:38:23 PM
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Re: Why would the AoL Servants of All build themselves a self-aggrandizing island-city-fort-tower?
- 11/02/2012 07:58:40 PM
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The White Tower began construction in 98 AB. Go read the section in the BWB
- 12/02/2012 01:48:58 AM
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The Wheel Weaves as the Wheel Wills. *NM*
- 06/02/2012 02:38:36 AM
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I wonder if it'd possible to open gateways based on the memories of a previous incarnation? *NM*
- 07/02/2012 09:56:25 PM
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except for Rand/LTT and Birgitte, I get the impression that people don't have memories of past lives *NM*
- 08/02/2012 02:38:00 AM
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