without cadsuane, he and nynaeve would've been alone at shadar logoth, since he didn't consider having people there to guard them.
so i'd say he'd be doing pretty crappily.
so i'd say he'd be doing pretty crappily.
Egwene's statement implies that Rand can't do anything right by himself, but also suggests that she is the one who should be guiding him. I think those two are going to have words.
If we put Egwene's comment in context there is good reason to believe what I and Sidious have said. Just a chapter before Egwene's comment we have Rand's discussion with Nynaeve about Egwene wanting to control and manipulate him. At first Nynaeve defends Egwene, but then Rand reminds her that she is Aes Sedai and Amyrlin and that she would try to control him. Nynaeve has nothing to respond with because she knows Rand is right.
So we have Rand telling us that Egwene would try to control him, and Nynaeve recognizing it for truth and not arguing against it. Then a chapter later we have Egwene thinking about how she needs to control Rand. The evidence is overwhelming in favor of what I said originally and what Sidious is apparently agreeing with me on. Egwene is arrogant as ever.
But is it really arrogance? There's no proof that Rand knows what to do in any situation - he just happens to get certain things right, and has Cadsuane to agree or disagree with him.
Egwene's reasoning is that they come from the same village, and therefore their start in life has been the same, as well as their backgrounds. Egwene has always thought she knows better than him, and he feels the same - you can see it in their fights in EoTW. Egwene thinks she knows what's best for Rand because she's always considered herself to be more mature - she was Nynaeve's apprentice while Rand was playing practical jokes along with Mat. It's just the way they grew up - Rand still acts childishly around Egwene and resists her advice more than anyone else's, and she struggles to agree with him even if he's right. The fact that she can Dream makes it worse because she thinks she knows what's best for him based on her prophecies - so she's as certain of some of his destiny as she is of the Tower's.
I still think she's there to oppose and help Rand. She's saidar personified, corny as that sounds. She'll end up being Latra Posae Decume to Rand, which will be disastrous and good.
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Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers*
24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM
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Mind-numbingly boring...
24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM
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Agreed, but only because of the incredibly slow audio reading. FORTY-FIVE minutes for ONE chapter!!! *NM*
25/09/2009 06:08:27 AM
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EVERY Chapter in the entire series is read that way.
25/09/2009 01:40:07 PM
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Chapter summary
24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM
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sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM*
24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM
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I should disagree
26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM
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Jordan left tons of background info in notes
27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM
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Re: Jordan left tons of background info in notes
27/09/2009 08:10:06 PM
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Her entry in Encyclopaedia wot makes no mention of her being amyrlin *NM*
28/09/2009 01:17:49 AM
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Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years.
28/09/2009 09:46:34 PM
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Re: Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years.
28/09/2009 10:04:02 PM
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Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower?
24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM
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Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower.
24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM
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I always thought it was the small town thing
24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM
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Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH?
24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM
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So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way!
24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM
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Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower?
24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM
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This made my morning happy.
24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM
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I think it's different.
24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM
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True.
24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM
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Re: True.
24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM
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I also think Egwene might free them from it once she becomes recognized Amyrlin *NM*
24/09/2009 08:36:55 PM
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Re: I think it's different.
25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM
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There's still a difference...
25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM
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Re: There's still a difference...
26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM
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But...
26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM
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In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her.
26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM
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Is Alviarin finished?
24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM
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Two possibilities that come to mind
24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM
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Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too.
24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM
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She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths.
24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM
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Not finished it yet
24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM
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Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar
24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM
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Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her
24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM
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I doubt it - I'm of the opinion that Moridin may be next on SH's "personal attentions" list
25/09/2009 05:16:38 PM
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If this is true, it could be a ploy
25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM
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I liked it *Spoilers*
24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM
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I think...
24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM
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Re: I think...
24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM
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Re: I think...
24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM
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Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well?
24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM
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Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid
24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM
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Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM*
24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM
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is she wrong?
24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM
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The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits
24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM
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Re: is she wrong?
25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM
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Re: is she wrong?
25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM
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I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement
25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM
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I agree, and one more reason why I agree
25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM
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I disagree in some ways
25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM
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What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT?
24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM
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I can never decide what I think will happen
24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM
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Re: I can never decide what I think will happen
24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM
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I disagree, the Rebels are better protected
24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM
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I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM*
24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM
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Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property"
29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM
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Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property"
29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM
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OK, I didn't remember the details correctly
29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM
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Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly
29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM
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The title of book 13...
24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM
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Swing and a miss.
24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM
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As said
25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM
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Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A
25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM
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I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any?
24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM
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Also... this makes me miss RJ even more
24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM
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I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM*
25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM
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Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath?
25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM
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I think it would serve as motivation for those who say "You don't have to like the Amrylin" to turn.
25/09/2009 06:08:19 AM
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The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would
25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM
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Re: The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would
26/09/2009 04:45:32 AM
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Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes
25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM
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No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM*
25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM
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What about Mesaana?
25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM
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Definitely Mesana-- but I was wondering if the Shadar Logoth taint leaked onto Elaida a little
25/09/2009 07:43:24 PM
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Mat vs Egwene
25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM
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Re: Mat vs Egwene
25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM
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Re: Mat vs Egwene
25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM
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Re: Mat vs Egwene
25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM
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That's not his argument though
25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM
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I think...
25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM
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Egwene and Mesaana
25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM
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Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene...
25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM
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Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM*
25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM
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Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod
25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM
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Well... that elicited quite a reaction.
28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM
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I had many of those same thoughts.
28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM
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Re: I had many of those same thoughts.
28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM
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Re: I had many of those same thoughts.
28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM
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She'll do everything to re-unite the Tower - except anything that could actually re-unite it
29/09/2009 02:26:10 AM
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Hmmm....
29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM
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Re: Hmmm....
29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM
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Re: Hmmm....
30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM
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Elaida, Formidable?
29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM
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How do you figure?
30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM
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Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done?
30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM
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Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done?
30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM
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Oh yeah, and...
29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM
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The Dark One's Touch
30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM
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Re: The Dark One's Touch
30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM
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