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Re: Underestimating Forsaken strength Tedtheman Send a noteboard - 22/12/2011 05:24:53 PM
While reading debates here about which female forsaken is stronger than the other... I always see statements like "Mesaana is among the weaker forsaken."

But think about Mesaana's strength in relative terms. We're comparing her to only a FEW very strong channelers that are stronger than her. The strength difference could even be marginal.

We know that the only very large margin in strength is between Lanfear and the next strongest female Forsaken. People here have forgotten that Lanfear is second to only Ishaemael/Rand in strength. She is out of the other female Forsakens' league.

Semirhage, Graendal, Mesaana, and maybe even Moghedien could all have very small margins of difference in their One Power strengths.

It could be very likely that Semirhage and Graendal are the same in OP strength, or so close as to be negligible (such as Talaan and Nynaeve).


Wasn't this all settled 7-8 years ago on Wotmania? At least I remember it being settled (mostly). I mean obviously every new character in the series engenders some murkiness when the system does not have absolute values assigned to it.

I was pretty sure BS answered this and said there is an RJ chart, I feel like that is a note that he will be allowed to release to those of us crazy to care about this.

I know this is the only thing I feel really passionately about knowing. I think I lurked on Wotmania for a decade and only really ever posted in that original thread.
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Underestimating Forsaken strength Nessarra - 11/12/2011 05:57:22 AM 1949 Views
Ah, my favourite topic makes a return... Shannow - 11/12/2011 07:45:29 AM 855 Views
Re: Ah, my favourite topic makes a return... Nessarra - 11/12/2011 10:25:03 PM 848 Views
Yes, you are probably correct Sidious - 12/12/2011 06:26:07 AM 977 Views
Re: and some of the information given to us is flawed Watcher - 12/12/2011 07:38:59 PM 783 Views
The real question is - What percentage of her full strength did Nynaeve achieve by Book 4? Shannow - 12/12/2011 08:31:30 PM 812 Views
I find that unlikely Sidious - 12/12/2011 09:28:07 PM 777 Views
Easy question for you: Based on the evidence, what percentage of her strength was Nynaeve at in tSR? Shannow - 13/12/2011 07:09:56 AM 786 Views
Well.... Sidious - 13/12/2011 01:12:48 PM 810 Views
Well there we have it Shannow - 13/12/2011 01:36:45 PM 820 Views
Re: Well there we have it Sidious - 13/12/2011 02:06:14 PM 851 Views
Re: Well there we have it Shannow - 13/12/2011 02:12:10 PM 790 Views
Alivia may not even be stronger than Nynaeve... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 03:14:06 AM 866 Views
That wouldn't surprise me actually *NM* Sidious - 14/12/2011 07:46:47 AM 436 Views
Where would you place Egwene though? fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 09:13:46 AM 775 Views
Re: Where would you place Egwene though? Sidious - 14/12/2011 12:53:49 PM 744 Views
Bonfire next to a candle indeed. Hehehe... Shannow - 14/12/2011 05:50:34 PM 925 Views
fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 06:56:40 PM 720 Views
The same "step" you refer to seperates Egwene from normal Aes Sedai according to RJ... Shannow - 14/12/2011 07:14:55 PM 743 Views
Yes! And...? fionwe1987 - 15/12/2011 02:53:37 AM 764 Views
Yes I would agree with that Sidious - 14/12/2011 08:24:35 PM 903 Views
Alivia with an angreal > > > Cyndane TyrReborn - 14/12/2011 08:50:41 PM 692 Views
No Sidious - 14/12/2011 09:10:34 PM 778 Views
That makes no sense. TyrReborn - 14/12/2011 09:13:48 PM 846 Views
Correct. Shannow - 14/12/2011 09:43:53 PM 774 Views
Re: Correct. Sidious - 15/12/2011 05:54:37 AM 774 Views
So many instances of logical laziness in that post... Shannow - 14/12/2011 10:01:45 PM 1216 Views
Re: So many instances of logical laziness in that post... Sidious - 15/12/2011 06:16:01 AM 713 Views
There's always room for error, and in general I agree with some of your placements... Shannow - 15/12/2011 07:03:01 AM 796 Views
Re: There's always room for error, and in general I agree with some of your placements... Sidious - 17/12/2011 10:25:47 AM 830 Views
Because a difference of a few % is negligible, and not even worth mentioning... Shannow - 17/12/2011 10:54:49 AM 702 Views
How could you possibly use Gateways... fionwe1987 - 17/12/2011 12:40:03 PM 727 Views
Repyling at bottom of thread for space reasons... *NM* Shannow - 17/12/2011 02:57:43 PM 408 Views
Only slight diffence I have is regarding general AS strength darius_sedai - 30/12/2011 04:45:49 PM 782 Views
I think it was just Aes Sedai hyperbole RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2011 09:51:00 PM 640 Views
And entirely based off your shared assumption. Fanatic-Templar - 14/12/2011 05:15:51 AM 844 Views
Actually that's a lot of logical assumption. *NM* LadyLorraine - 13/12/2011 01:28:00 PM 375 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 03:06:15 AM 644 Views
And darius_sedai - 30/12/2011 05:07:13 PM 742 Views
Yes Cannoli - 13/12/2011 04:16:40 PM 913 Views
Re: Yes RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/12/2011 04:47:17 PM 808 Views
Nah. Beyond the realm of possibility. Sorry, Shannow - 13/12/2011 05:12:40 PM 864 Views
There are a number of comments from Q&As that shows that this is possible and more complex. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/12/2011 08:23:49 PM 837 Views
None of which I disagree with, but a far cry from women being weaker just due to believing it... Shannow - 13/12/2011 08:39:40 PM 739 Views
But that is my point: it wouldn't be merely force of will. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/12/2011 09:40:17 PM 727 Views
What Rand is doing... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 03:43:08 AM 848 Views
That would make sense given Min's vision RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/12/2011 04:37:56 PM 655 Views
Wait.. I DIDN'T write that! fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 03:02:04 AM 729 Views
Reply to your question of - "Why use Logain gateway comparison as evidence:" Shannow - 17/12/2011 03:08:19 PM 843 Views
You're basically saying "correlation equals causation"... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2011 06:18:47 AM 779 Views
On gateways Sidious - 18/12/2011 07:17:09 AM 806 Views
Might assume that Elayne is stronger in the Power than Aviendha. echooff - 19/12/2011 02:40:46 PM 1007 Views
I suspect he knows that... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2011 05:53:00 PM 729 Views
Nope...some maths problems in your post. Shannow - 19/12/2011 07:41:29 PM 764 Views
But 64 square feet is not Elayne's maximum... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2011 02:46:50 AM 722 Views
But Shielding is also relative. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/12/2011 09:35:11 PM 1973 Views
Re: Underestimating Forsaken strength Tedtheman - 22/12/2011 05:24:53 PM 764 Views
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