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I experienced just the opposite Bulgakov Send a noteboard - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM
I sat down and listened and nothing happened in 45 minutes. An author's challenge is to build a world that is engaging using as few words as possible. Somewhere along the way RJ lost sight of this. Lets see what happened.

1. Egwene is captured and devoted to novice in the whiter tower.
We know this already

2. Egwene is getting spanked repeatedly. This could use more description ;).

3. She served Elaida dinner. Elaida is crazy. Who would have thunk it?

4. She has emotional pain at seeing the tower divided.

5. The women are all wearing dresses. The rooms are nice.

More Brandon please.
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Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers* Sidious - 24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM 7259 Views
Mind-numbingly boring... Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM 2000 Views
I thought it was excellent *NM* Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:32:05 PM 1141 Views
Only for someone who can't read between the lines. Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:40:18 PM 1851 Views
I adored it. *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:37:38 PM 989 Views
Agreed, but only because of the incredibly slow audio reading. FORTY-FIVE minutes for ONE chapter!!! *NM* Cannoli - 25/09/2009 06:08:27 AM 1048 Views
EVERY Chapter in the entire series is read that way. Yvves - 25/09/2009 01:40:07 PM 1509 Views
Yup, they're a lot of fun to listen to. BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 08:26:52 PM 1455 Views
Agreed. As for the speed issue... RandAllThor - 28/09/2009 02:11:13 PM 1365 Views
Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” Cannoli - 28/09/2009 01:03:35 PM 2001 Views
Chapter summary Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM 2097 Views
sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM* Iceman - 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM 910 Views
I agree - I'm certain it was RJ *NM* Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:36:12 PM 1074 Views
Agreed. It was RJ through and through. *NM* Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:36:13 PM 973 Views
+1 Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:03:44 AM 1534 Views
I should disagree StinkerSkunk - 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM 1643 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes Rurouni_Kenshin - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 1546 Views
Re: Jordan left tons of background info in notes StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 08:10:06 PM 1609 Views
Her entry in Encyclopaedia wot makes no mention of her being amyrlin *NM* NaClH2O - 28/09/2009 01:17:49 AM 999 Views
Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years. Rurouni_Kenshin - 28/09/2009 09:46:34 PM 1623 Views
Re: Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years. StinkerSkunk - 28/09/2009 10:04:02 PM 1423 Views
Re: Chapter summary RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:50:36 PM 1690 Views
Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 1691 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 1713 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 1618 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? AliasRY - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 1566 Views
Can Fain do that? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 1542 Views
No he can't (couldn't) DomA - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 1766 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 1670 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 1547 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 1538 Views
Ambitious people are like that redhand - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 1616 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 1561 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself FredWeasley - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 1548 Views
This made my morning happy. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 1640 Views
I think it's different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 1682 Views
True. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 1694 Views
Re: True. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 1552 Views
I also think Egwene might free them from it once she becomes recognized Amyrlin *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:36:55 PM 1028 Views
Re: I think it's different. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 1548 Views
There's still a difference... fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 1441 Views
Re: There's still a difference... BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 1467 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 1490 Views
Re: But... Amyrlin Seat - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 1496 Views
She could have not bungled up... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 1296 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 1533 Views
he's saying that. Deadsy - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1391 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 1443 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT redhand - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 1527 Views
Ever had rancid oil? Kiera - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2246 Views
Is Alviarin finished? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 1641 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind RandAllThor - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 1567 Views
Or Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 1731 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1281 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 1619 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 1537 Views
No they don't Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 1428 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* AgentOrange - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 957 Views
Her part will probably be... Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 1612 Views
I think her mission has changed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 1370 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? Gerbeaud - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1502 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! Etzel - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 1590 Views
Painful to listen to Bulgakov - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 1637 Views
Not finished it yet MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 1724 Views
WHITE! sue - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 1570 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 1603 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 1699 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 1371 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 1458 Views
She doesn't.. Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 1425 Views
I doubt it - I'm of the opinion that Moridin may be next on SH's "personal attentions" list RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 05:16:38 PM 1573 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 1552 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 1344 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 1547 Views
I disagree Marshall - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 1640 Views
nice idea *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 886 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 1532 Views
I think... Etzel - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 1722 Views
Re: I think... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 1301 Views
Re: I think... Sidious - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 1673 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 1395 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 1552 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1309 Views
Re: I think... Ryan - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 1471 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 1504 Views
I was totally caught off guard! entyti - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 1521 Views
I all excited! sue - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 1453 Views
Yay Deadsy - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 1709 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1131 Views
is she wrong? Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 1597 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 1746 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 1543 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too Isaac - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 1465 Views
Re: is she wrong? BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 1625 Views
Re: is she wrong? fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 1405 Views
You're totally wrong Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 1554 Views
Re: You're totally wrong Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 1517 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 1766 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 1686 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 1600 Views
I disagree in some ways Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 1368 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 1518 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO ajfurst - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 1471 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 877 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 1644 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 1572 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen randfandom - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 1516 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 1585 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 963 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... Crackbrained Asha'man - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 1442 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 1381 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 1501 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 1499 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 1594 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 1591 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 1521 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 1295 Views
no.. urizen - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1397 Views
The title of book 13... Etzel - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1389 Views
Swing and a miss. The Dude - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 1590 Views
As said Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1374 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? Isaac - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1431 Views
Yes, those Towers... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 1495 Views
Seems unlikely to me. RandAllThor - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 1525 Views
Yeah, that's possible. Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 1486 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... Rand al'Thor - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1355 Views
I think it's an exaggeration Deadsy - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 1486 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... randfandom - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 1526 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 1380 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 960 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 1276 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 1430 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 1468 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 1456 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers ajfurst - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1397 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. fionwe1987 - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1342 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 1411 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 1488 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 1748 Views
I experienced just the opposite Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 1573 Views
Totally disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1416 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 934 Views
Really? CupofDice - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1428 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? BlackAdder - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 1425 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 912 Views
In regards to Alviarin. Heiko - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 1540 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 1469 Views
I think it would serve as motivation for those who say "You don't have to like the Amrylin" to turn. Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:08:19 AM 1506 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 1636 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 1601 Views
Re: The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Ryan - 26/09/2009 04:45:32 AM 1413 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1436 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 959 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1008 Views
What about Mesaana? Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1347 Views
Definitely Mesana-- but I was wondering if the Shadar Logoth taint leaked onto Elaida a little Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 07:43:24 PM 1559 Views
Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 1487 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 1477 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1494 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 1484 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Lanfear - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 1620 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1517 Views
That's not his argument though Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1328 Views
Ah okay. Sidious - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1435 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 1571 Views
I think... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 1565 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1213 Views
That is really good idea Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 1656 Views
Though... Etzel - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1510 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1321 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath aldapelan - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 1469 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: The Angry Druid - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1448 Views
Egwene and Mesaana Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1508 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... Shannow - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1532 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1366 Views
Agreed Sidious - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1426 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. The Angry Druid - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1533 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 940 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1437 Views
Humph. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1386 Views
She was overconfident Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1427 Views
A lie by Elaida? Etzel - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 1657 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1449 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? Amyrlin Seat - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1391 Views
I don't think it covers things like that Isaac - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 1426 Views
She believes what she said *NM* Sidious - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 924 Views
Remember, perspective. Great Lord of Chaos - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1326 Views
It might well be true BlackAdder - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1446 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1280 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. Narg - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1515 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Watcher - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1265 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Knightscape - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1421 Views
She'll do everything to re-unite the Tower - except anything that could actually re-unite it ajfurst - 29/09/2009 02:26:10 AM 1508 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ Lord o' Salv - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1449 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1501 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1503 Views
Ridiculous Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1323 Views
Very. Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1463 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1443 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1497 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1400 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1428 Views
Re: Hmmm.... RandAllThor - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 1748 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* guttering flame - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 874 Views
Elaida, Formidable? Rurouni_Kenshin - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1502 Views
How do you figure? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1248 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1443 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1349 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1309 Views
Ignore *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 904 Views
Oh yeah, and... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1573 Views
Egwene in this chapter... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1476 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1596 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading ajfurst - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1458 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* AgentOrange - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1035 Views
A lot of that is the narrator Isaac - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1527 Views
The Dark One's Touch Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1550 Views
Good point! *NM* Etzel - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 941 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch Sidious - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1346 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Lanfear - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1316 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1552 Views
The Irony of Elaida dadof5 - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1464 Views
LOL, I agree. Great Lord of Chaos - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1422 Views
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