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Yes Cannoli Send a noteboard - 13/12/2011 04:16:40 PM
I personally believe that the gaps are small, except perhaps that Moghedien is considerably weaker.

An alternative could be that even if the gaps are large, strength does not mean that much. Kind of like height - there are reasons why it might indicate superiority in a fight, and is readily measurable, but the reason why men might generally be able to win a fight against a woman are not really about their being taller.

I think all of them are 90 to 100% of as strong as possible, maybe even 95 to 100%, which allows them to stand in each other's company without outright murder occuring (which Moghedien does not risk unless commanded to by the Nae'blis). A lot of evidence for the large gaps rests on the fact that high strength males seem to be able to overwhelm higher level female channelers from various quotes, but it has never been demonstrated practically, and even directly contradicted. Most evidence comes from shielding which is very hypothetical and we don't know how the two halves of the Power interact when used on the opposite sex.


There are also scenes like Nynaeve's shield bouncing off a drunk Elayne, who is supposed to be much weaker than she. Elayne is stronger than any pre-LoC sister, but more or less in the category of those elites of 20 years ago (some of whom died as Tamra's searchers), whereas Nynaeve is up in the AoL elite class. There should be orders of magnitude differences between them (not least because Nynaeve has been channeling much longer should be further along her development) or at least two levels on the mythical 21-level chart, since there are a few channelers in the late series between them in strength. Yet Nynaeve can't shield an already-channeling Elayne, who wasn't even consciously fighting her. Plainly shielding is a crap measurement, much like wrestling can, but does not necessarily, indicate differences of physical strength.
Cannoli
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Underestimating Forsaken strength - 11/12/2011 05:57:22 AM 1860 Views
Ah, my favourite topic makes a return... - 11/12/2011 07:45:29 AM 758 Views
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Yes, you are probably correct - 12/12/2011 06:26:07 AM 874 Views
Re: and some of the information given to us is flawed - 12/12/2011 07:38:59 PM 677 Views
The real question is - What percentage of her full strength did Nynaeve achieve by Book 4? - 12/12/2011 08:31:30 PM 713 Views
I find that unlikely - 12/12/2011 09:28:07 PM 680 Views
Easy question for you: Based on the evidence, what percentage of her strength was Nynaeve at in tSR? - 13/12/2011 07:09:56 AM 649 Views
Well.... - 13/12/2011 01:12:48 PM 717 Views
Well there we have it - 13/12/2011 01:36:45 PM 719 Views
Re: Well there we have it - 13/12/2011 02:06:14 PM 749 Views
Re: Well there we have it - 13/12/2011 02:12:10 PM 685 Views
Alivia may not even be stronger than Nynaeve... - 14/12/2011 03:14:06 AM 758 Views
That wouldn't surprise me actually *NM* - 14/12/2011 07:46:47 AM 398 Views
Where would you place Egwene though? - 14/12/2011 09:13:46 AM 662 Views
Re: Where would you place Egwene though? - 14/12/2011 12:53:49 PM 666 Views
Bonfire next to a candle indeed. Hehehe... - 14/12/2011 05:50:34 PM 801 Views
- 14/12/2011 06:56:40 PM 620 Views
The same "step" you refer to seperates Egwene from normal Aes Sedai according to RJ... - 14/12/2011 07:14:55 PM 649 Views
Yes! And...? - 15/12/2011 02:53:37 AM 658 Views
Yes I would agree with that - 14/12/2011 08:24:35 PM 808 Views
Alivia with an angreal > > > Cyndane - 14/12/2011 08:50:41 PM 580 Views
No - 14/12/2011 09:10:34 PM 666 Views
That makes no sense. - 14/12/2011 09:13:48 PM 735 Views
Correct. - 14/12/2011 09:43:53 PM 681 Views
Re: Correct. - 15/12/2011 05:54:37 AM 670 Views
So many instances of logical laziness in that post... - 14/12/2011 10:01:45 PM 1115 Views
Re: So many instances of logical laziness in that post... - 15/12/2011 06:16:01 AM 598 Views
Only slight diffence I have is regarding general AS strength - 30/12/2011 04:45:49 PM 690 Views
I think it was just Aes Sedai hyperbole - 15/12/2011 09:51:00 PM 540 Views
And entirely based off your shared assumption. - 14/12/2011 05:15:51 AM 745 Views
Actually that's a lot of logical assumption. *NM* - 13/12/2011 01:28:00 PM 331 Views
But... - 14/12/2011 03:06:15 AM 547 Views
And - 30/12/2011 05:07:13 PM 648 Views
Yes - 13/12/2011 04:16:40 PM 798 Views
Re: Yes - 13/12/2011 04:47:17 PM 705 Views
Nah. Beyond the realm of possibility. Sorry, - 13/12/2011 05:12:40 PM 762 Views
There are a number of comments from Q&As that shows that this is possible and more complex. - 13/12/2011 08:23:49 PM 729 Views
None of which I disagree with, but a far cry from women being weaker just due to believing it... - 13/12/2011 08:39:40 PM 630 Views
But that is my point: it wouldn't be merely force of will. - 13/12/2011 09:40:17 PM 626 Views
What Rand is doing... - 14/12/2011 03:43:08 AM 748 Views
That would make sense given Min's vision - 16/12/2011 04:37:56 PM 549 Views
Wait.. I DIDN'T write that! - 14/12/2011 03:02:04 AM 618 Views
Reply to your question of - "Why use Logain gateway comparison as evidence:" - 17/12/2011 03:08:19 PM 716 Views
You're basically saying "correlation equals causation"... - 18/12/2011 06:18:47 AM 663 Views
On gateways - 18/12/2011 07:17:09 AM 706 Views
Might assume that Elayne is stronger in the Power than Aviendha. - 19/12/2011 02:40:46 PM 895 Views
I suspect he knows that... - 19/12/2011 05:53:00 PM 615 Views
Nope...some maths problems in your post. - 19/12/2011 07:41:29 PM 666 Views
But 64 square feet is not Elayne's maximum... - 20/12/2011 02:46:50 AM 614 Views
But Shielding is also relative. - 27/12/2011 09:35:11 PM 1877 Views
Re: Underestimating Forsaken strength - 22/12/2011 05:24:53 PM 662 Views

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