The real question is - What percentage of her full strength did Nynaeve achieve by Book 4?
Shannow Send a noteboard - 12/12/2011 08:31:30 PM
There is also the fact that we have some information from the points of view of the various forsaken i.e. Rahvin thinking that he or Sammael could overwhelm Graendal etc. I believe that Robert Jordan confirmed that the forsaken's own world view may not always match up to reality because of their own inflated sense of important. Put another way I might think that I could wipe the floor with Jackie Chan but just because I believe it 100% does not make it so.
It seems clear from Moghedien's comments, and from a host of other references, that the blocked Nynaeve in Book 4 was still FAR from her full strength. In fact, a strength of only two thirds her full strength is quite possible at this point.
The significance of this single fact is that it puts Moghedien at only two thirds of Semirhage's strength. And this means that it is possible for a vastly weaker Forsaken to survive in the company of much stronger enemies.
And this in turn means that it is not a prerequisite for Forsaken longevity that they are all within 5% or 10% of the maximum strength.
It is obvious that if Nynaeve is not even at her full strength in Winter's Heart yet, then she must have been very far removed from her full strength when she matched Moghedien back in Shadow Rising.
So it seems virtually certain that Moghedien is far, far weaker than Semirhage, and therefore inconceivably weaker than Lanfear.
In my mind, this gives us an absolute low extreme and an absolute high extreme for the female Forsaken strength range.
And therefore it is not unreasonable at all to suggest that the remaining females are spread more or less evenly between these two extremes.
Meaning that they aren't all grouped just 5% below Lanfear's strength, with only Moghedien lying about 30% or 40% lower.
Instead, you probably have Moghdien at about 65%, Mesaana at around 75%, Semirhage and a full strength Nynaeve at around 85%, Graendal at 90%, Cyndane at 95% and Lanfear at 100%.
Remember, if Nynaeve was only at say 70% of her full strength when she matched Moghedien, that would make Moghedien 70% as strong as Semirhage. But since Semirhage is not at the highest possible level for a female, that would probably mean that Moghedien is only around 65% as strong as Lanfear.
I find this the most likely distribution of female strength.
Underestimating Forsaken strength
11/12/2011 05:57:22 AM
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Yes, you are probably correct
12/12/2011 06:26:07 AM
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Re: and some of the information given to us is flawed
12/12/2011 07:38:59 PM
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The real question is - What percentage of her full strength did Nynaeve achieve by Book 4?
12/12/2011 08:31:30 PM
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I find that unlikely
12/12/2011 09:28:07 PM
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Easy question for you: Based on the evidence, what percentage of her strength was Nynaeve at in tSR?
13/12/2011 07:09:56 AM
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Well....
13/12/2011 01:12:48 PM
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Well there we have it
13/12/2011 01:36:45 PM
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Re: Well there we have it
13/12/2011 02:06:14 PM
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Re: Well there we have it
13/12/2011 02:12:10 PM
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Alivia may not even be stronger than Nynaeve...
14/12/2011 03:14:06 AM
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That wouldn't surprise me actually *NM*
14/12/2011 07:46:47 AM
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Where would you place Egwene though?
14/12/2011 09:13:46 AM
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Re: Where would you place Egwene though?
14/12/2011 12:53:49 PM
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Bonfire next to a candle indeed. Hehehe...
14/12/2011 05:50:34 PM
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14/12/2011 06:56:40 PM
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The same "step" you refer to seperates Egwene from normal Aes Sedai according to RJ...
14/12/2011 07:14:55 PM
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Yes I would agree with that
14/12/2011 08:24:35 PM
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Alivia with an angreal > > > Cyndane
14/12/2011 08:50:41 PM
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So many instances of logical laziness in that post...
14/12/2011 10:01:45 PM
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Re: So many instances of logical laziness in that post...
15/12/2011 06:16:01 AM
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There's always room for error, and in general I agree with some of your placements...
15/12/2011 07:03:01 AM
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Re: There's always room for error, and in general I agree with some of your placements...
17/12/2011 10:25:47 AM
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Because a difference of a few % is negligible, and not even worth mentioning...
17/12/2011 10:54:49 AM
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Yes
13/12/2011 04:16:40 PM
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Re: Yes
13/12/2011 04:47:17 PM
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Nah. Beyond the realm of possibility. Sorry,
13/12/2011 05:12:40 PM
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There are a number of comments from Q&As that shows that this is possible and more complex.
13/12/2011 08:23:49 PM
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None of which I disagree with, but a far cry from women being weaker just due to believing it...
13/12/2011 08:39:40 PM
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But that is my point: it wouldn't be merely force of will.
13/12/2011 09:40:17 PM
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Wait.. I DIDN'T write that!
14/12/2011 03:02:04 AM
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Reply to your question of - "Why use Logain gateway comparison as evidence:"
17/12/2011 03:08:19 PM
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On gateways
18/12/2011 07:17:09 AM
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Might assume that Elayne is stronger in the Power than Aviendha.
19/12/2011 02:40:46 PM
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I suspect he knows that...
19/12/2011 05:53:00 PM
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