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The real question is - What percentage of her full strength did Nynaeve achieve by Book 4? Shannow Send a noteboard - 12/12/2011 08:31:30 PM
There is also the fact that we have some information from the points of view of the various forsaken i.e. Rahvin thinking that he or Sammael could overwhelm Graendal etc. I believe that Robert Jordan confirmed that the forsaken's own world view may not always match up to reality because of their own inflated sense of important. Put another way I might think that I could wipe the floor with Jackie Chan but just because I believe it 100% does not make it so.


It seems clear from Moghedien's comments, and from a host of other references, that the blocked Nynaeve in Book 4 was still FAR from her full strength. In fact, a strength of only two thirds her full strength is quite possible at this point.

The significance of this single fact is that it puts Moghedien at only two thirds of Semirhage's strength. And this means that it is possible for a vastly weaker Forsaken to survive in the company of much stronger enemies.

And this in turn means that it is not a prerequisite for Forsaken longevity that they are all within 5% or 10% of the maximum strength.

It is obvious that if Nynaeve is not even at her full strength in Winter's Heart yet, then she must have been very far removed from her full strength when she matched Moghedien back in Shadow Rising.

So it seems virtually certain that Moghedien is far, far weaker than Semirhage, and therefore inconceivably weaker than Lanfear.

In my mind, this gives us an absolute low extreme and an absolute high extreme for the female Forsaken strength range.

And therefore it is not unreasonable at all to suggest that the remaining females are spread more or less evenly between these two extremes.

Meaning that they aren't all grouped just 5% below Lanfear's strength, with only Moghedien lying about 30% or 40% lower.

Instead, you probably have Moghdien at about 65%, Mesaana at around 75%, Semirhage and a full strength Nynaeve at around 85%, Graendal at 90%, Cyndane at 95% and Lanfear at 100%.

Remember, if Nynaeve was only at say 70% of her full strength when she matched Moghedien, that would make Moghedien 70% as strong as Semirhage. But since Semirhage is not at the highest possible level for a female, that would probably mean that Moghedien is only around 65% as strong as Lanfear.

I find this the most likely distribution of female strength.
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Underestimating Forsaken strength - 11/12/2011 05:57:22 AM 1870 Views
Ah, my favourite topic makes a return... - 11/12/2011 07:45:29 AM 773 Views
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Yes, you are probably correct - 12/12/2011 06:26:07 AM 890 Views
Re: and some of the information given to us is flawed - 12/12/2011 07:38:59 PM 696 Views
The real question is - What percentage of her full strength did Nynaeve achieve by Book 4? - 12/12/2011 08:31:30 PM 728 Views
I find that unlikely - 12/12/2011 09:28:07 PM 696 Views
Easy question for you: Based on the evidence, what percentage of her strength was Nynaeve at in tSR? - 13/12/2011 07:09:56 AM 666 Views
Well.... - 13/12/2011 01:12:48 PM 729 Views
Well there we have it - 13/12/2011 01:36:45 PM 734 Views
Re: Well there we have it - 13/12/2011 02:06:14 PM 763 Views
Re: Well there we have it - 13/12/2011 02:12:10 PM 699 Views
Alivia may not even be stronger than Nynaeve... - 14/12/2011 03:14:06 AM 771 Views
That wouldn't surprise me actually *NM* - 14/12/2011 07:46:47 AM 403 Views
Where would you place Egwene though? - 14/12/2011 09:13:46 AM 680 Views
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Bonfire next to a candle indeed. Hehehe... - 14/12/2011 05:50:34 PM 820 Views
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The same "step" you refer to seperates Egwene from normal Aes Sedai according to RJ... - 14/12/2011 07:14:55 PM 661 Views
Yes! And...? - 15/12/2011 02:53:37 AM 670 Views
Yes I would agree with that - 14/12/2011 08:24:35 PM 822 Views
Alivia with an angreal > > > Cyndane - 14/12/2011 08:50:41 PM 599 Views
No - 14/12/2011 09:10:34 PM 686 Views
That makes no sense. - 14/12/2011 09:13:48 PM 751 Views
Correct. - 14/12/2011 09:43:53 PM 693 Views
Re: Correct. - 15/12/2011 05:54:37 AM 688 Views
So many instances of logical laziness in that post... - 14/12/2011 10:01:45 PM 1127 Views
Re: So many instances of logical laziness in that post... - 15/12/2011 06:16:01 AM 611 Views
Only slight diffence I have is regarding general AS strength - 30/12/2011 04:45:49 PM 704 Views
I think it was just Aes Sedai hyperbole - 15/12/2011 09:51:00 PM 555 Views
And entirely based off your shared assumption. - 14/12/2011 05:15:51 AM 758 Views
Actually that's a lot of logical assumption. *NM* - 13/12/2011 01:28:00 PM 338 Views
But... - 14/12/2011 03:06:15 AM 557 Views
And - 30/12/2011 05:07:13 PM 658 Views
Yes - 13/12/2011 04:16:40 PM 814 Views
Re: Yes - 13/12/2011 04:47:17 PM 716 Views
Nah. Beyond the realm of possibility. Sorry, - 13/12/2011 05:12:40 PM 776 Views
There are a number of comments from Q&As that shows that this is possible and more complex. - 13/12/2011 08:23:49 PM 741 Views
None of which I disagree with, but a far cry from women being weaker just due to believing it... - 13/12/2011 08:39:40 PM 650 Views
But that is my point: it wouldn't be merely force of will. - 13/12/2011 09:40:17 PM 637 Views
What Rand is doing... - 14/12/2011 03:43:08 AM 760 Views
That would make sense given Min's vision - 16/12/2011 04:37:56 PM 561 Views
Wait.. I DIDN'T write that! - 14/12/2011 03:02:04 AM 638 Views
Reply to your question of - "Why use Logain gateway comparison as evidence:" - 17/12/2011 03:08:19 PM 733 Views
You're basically saying "correlation equals causation"... - 18/12/2011 06:18:47 AM 678 Views
On gateways - 18/12/2011 07:17:09 AM 718 Views
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I suspect he knows that... - 19/12/2011 05:53:00 PM 631 Views
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But 64 square feet is not Elayne's maximum... - 20/12/2011 02:46:50 AM 632 Views
But Shielding is also relative. - 27/12/2011 09:35:11 PM 1889 Views
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