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Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? Sidious Send a noteboard - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM

I personally don't think she could.

Maybe some people think that the Tower is broken enough, and under her thumb to the degree that she could decree anything. I have my doubts though.
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Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers* Sidious - 24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM 7232 Views
Mind-numbingly boring... Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM 1969 Views
I thought it was excellent *NM* Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:32:05 PM 1127 Views
Only for someone who can't read between the lines. Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:40:18 PM 1818 Views
I adored it. *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:37:38 PM 977 Views
Agreed, but only because of the incredibly slow audio reading. FORTY-FIVE minutes for ONE chapter!!! *NM* Cannoli - 25/09/2009 06:08:27 AM 1035 Views
EVERY Chapter in the entire series is read that way. Yvves - 25/09/2009 01:40:07 PM 1479 Views
Yup, they're a lot of fun to listen to. BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 08:26:52 PM 1423 Views
Agreed. As for the speed issue... RandAllThor - 28/09/2009 02:11:13 PM 1331 Views
Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” Cannoli - 28/09/2009 01:03:35 PM 1972 Views
Chapter summary Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM 2066 Views
sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM* Iceman - 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM 894 Views
I agree - I'm certain it was RJ *NM* Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:36:12 PM 1062 Views
Agreed. It was RJ through and through. *NM* Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:36:13 PM 961 Views
+1 Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:03:44 AM 1498 Views
I should disagree StinkerSkunk - 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM 1608 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes Rurouni_Kenshin - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 1507 Views
Re: Jordan left tons of background info in notes StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 08:10:06 PM 1568 Views
Her entry in Encyclopaedia wot makes no mention of her being amyrlin *NM* NaClH2O - 28/09/2009 01:17:49 AM 988 Views
Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years. Rurouni_Kenshin - 28/09/2009 09:46:34 PM 1587 Views
Re: Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years. StinkerSkunk - 28/09/2009 10:04:02 PM 1392 Views
Re: Chapter summary RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:50:36 PM 1654 Views
Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 1657 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 1680 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 1591 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? AliasRY - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 1532 Views
Can Fain do that? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 1511 Views
No he can't (couldn't) DomA - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 1730 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 1639 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 1518 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 1500 Views
Ambitious people are like that redhand - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 1582 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 1525 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself FredWeasley - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 1510 Views
This made my morning happy. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 1606 Views
I think it's different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 1645 Views
True. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 1661 Views
Re: True. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 1527 Views
I also think Egwene might free them from it once she becomes recognized Amyrlin *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:36:55 PM 1017 Views
Re: I think it's different. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 1513 Views
There's still a difference... fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 1409 Views
Re: There's still a difference... BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 1439 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 1457 Views
Re: But... Amyrlin Seat - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 1465 Views
She could have not bungled up... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 1260 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 1499 Views
he's saying that. Deadsy - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1360 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 1412 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT redhand - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 1495 Views
Ever had rancid oil? Kiera - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2215 Views
Is Alviarin finished? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 1616 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind RandAllThor - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 1533 Views
Or Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 1702 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1268 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 1586 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 1504 Views
No they don't Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 1397 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* AgentOrange - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 942 Views
Her part will probably be... Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 1576 Views
I think her mission has changed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 1337 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? Gerbeaud - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1465 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! Etzel - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 1560 Views
Painful to listen to Bulgakov - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 1607 Views
Not finished it yet MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 1690 Views
WHITE! sue - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 1537 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 1569 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 1666 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 1334 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 1422 Views
She doesn't.. Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 1394 Views
I doubt it - I'm of the opinion that Moridin may be next on SH's "personal attentions" list RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 05:16:38 PM 1549 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 1511 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 1312 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 1513 Views
I disagree Marshall - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 1610 Views
nice idea *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 874 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 1501 Views
I think... Etzel - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 1687 Views
Re: I think... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 1276 Views
Re: I think... Sidious - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 1649 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 1364 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 1515 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1274 Views
Re: I think... Ryan - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 1429 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 1469 Views
I was totally caught off guard! entyti - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 1492 Views
I all excited! sue - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 1422 Views
Yay Deadsy - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 1681 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1118 Views
is she wrong? Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 1565 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 1699 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 1513 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too Isaac - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 1440 Views
Re: is she wrong? BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 1580 Views
Re: is she wrong? fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 1371 Views
You're totally wrong Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 1523 Views
Re: You're totally wrong Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 1484 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 1733 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 1653 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 1575 Views
I disagree in some ways Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 1330 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 1492 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO ajfurst - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 1437 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 863 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 1618 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 1540 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen randfandom - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 1490 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 1552 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 953 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... Crackbrained Asha'man - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 1417 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 1345 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 1463 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 1469 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 1565 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 1561 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 1498 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 1258 Views
no.. urizen - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1366 Views
The title of book 13... Etzel - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1357 Views
Swing and a miss. The Dude - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 1554 Views
As said Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1352 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? Isaac - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1398 Views
Yes, those Towers... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 1459 Views
Seems unlikely to me. RandAllThor - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 1494 Views
Yeah, that's possible. Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 1456 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... Rand al'Thor - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1311 Views
I think it's an exaggeration Deadsy - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 1450 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... randfandom - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 1488 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 1345 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 951 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 1244 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 1397 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 1439 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 1428 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers ajfurst - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1366 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. fionwe1987 - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1310 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 1373 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 1457 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 1714 Views
I experienced just the opposite Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 1534 Views
Totally disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1387 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 917 Views
Really? CupofDice - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1397 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? BlackAdder - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 1395 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 900 Views
In regards to Alviarin. Heiko - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 1502 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 1438 Views
I think it would serve as motivation for those who say "You don't have to like the Amrylin" to turn. Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:08:19 AM 1477 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 1602 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 1567 Views
Re: The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Ryan - 26/09/2009 04:45:32 AM 1378 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1401 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 948 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 989 Views
What about Mesaana? Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1312 Views
Definitely Mesana-- but I was wondering if the Shadar Logoth taint leaked onto Elaida a little Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 07:43:24 PM 1530 Views
Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 1446 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 1442 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1463 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 1457 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Lanfear - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 1585 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1478 Views
That's not his argument though Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1297 Views
Ah okay. Sidious - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1400 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 1533 Views
I think... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 1535 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1183 Views
That is really good idea Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 1619 Views
Though... Etzel - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1484 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1295 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath aldapelan - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 1440 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: The Angry Druid - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1418 Views
Egwene and Mesaana Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1479 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... Shannow - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1502 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1332 Views
Agreed Sidious - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1404 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. The Angry Druid - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1498 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 929 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1414 Views
Humph. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1360 Views
She was overconfident Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1398 Views
A lie by Elaida? Etzel - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 1618 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1418 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? Amyrlin Seat - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1360 Views
I don't think it covers things like that Isaac - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 1399 Views
She believes what she said *NM* Sidious - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 913 Views
Remember, perspective. Great Lord of Chaos - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1298 Views
It might well be true BlackAdder - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1412 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1256 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. Narg - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1483 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Watcher - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1230 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Knightscape - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1390 Views
She'll do everything to re-unite the Tower - except anything that could actually re-unite it ajfurst - 29/09/2009 02:26:10 AM 1476 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ Lord o' Salv - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1416 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1473 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1470 Views
Ridiculous Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1292 Views
Very. Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1430 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1409 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1464 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1372 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1395 Views
Re: Hmmm.... RandAllThor - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 1716 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* guttering flame - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 860 Views
Elaida, Formidable? Rurouni_Kenshin - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1461 Views
How do you figure? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1214 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1410 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1313 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1282 Views
Ignore *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 891 Views
Oh yeah, and... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1538 Views
Egwene in this chapter... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1440 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1568 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading ajfurst - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1431 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* AgentOrange - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1022 Views
A lot of that is the narrator Isaac - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1494 Views
The Dark One's Touch Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1517 Views
Good point! *NM* Etzel - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 926 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch Sidious - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1312 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Lanfear - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1284 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1524 Views
The Irony of Elaida dadof5 - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1428 Views
LOL, I agree. Great Lord of Chaos - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1394 Views
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