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Re: I think it's different. BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM
Elaida on the other hand, just wants complete domination over the Aes Sedai.


Maybe, but she also knows the Tower needs to be united, and I'm sure she sees the Fourth Oath as working towards that. Just as Egwene did with her own pledges.
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Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers* Sidious - 24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM 7232 Views
Mind-numbingly boring... Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM 1969 Views
I thought it was excellent *NM* Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:32:05 PM 1127 Views
Only for someone who can't read between the lines. Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:40:18 PM 1818 Views
I adored it. *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:37:38 PM 977 Views
Agreed, but only because of the incredibly slow audio reading. FORTY-FIVE minutes for ONE chapter!!! *NM* Cannoli - 25/09/2009 06:08:27 AM 1035 Views
EVERY Chapter in the entire series is read that way. Yvves - 25/09/2009 01:40:07 PM 1479 Views
Yup, they're a lot of fun to listen to. BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 08:26:52 PM 1423 Views
Agreed. As for the speed issue... RandAllThor - 28/09/2009 02:11:13 PM 1330 Views
Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” Cannoli - 28/09/2009 01:03:35 PM 1971 Views
Chapter summary Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM 2066 Views
sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM* Iceman - 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM 894 Views
I agree - I'm certain it was RJ *NM* Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:36:12 PM 1062 Views
Agreed. It was RJ through and through. *NM* Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:36:13 PM 961 Views
+1 Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:03:44 AM 1498 Views
I should disagree StinkerSkunk - 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM 1608 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes Rurouni_Kenshin - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 1507 Views
Re: Jordan left tons of background info in notes StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 08:10:06 PM 1568 Views
Her entry in Encyclopaedia wot makes no mention of her being amyrlin *NM* NaClH2O - 28/09/2009 01:17:49 AM 987 Views
Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years. Rurouni_Kenshin - 28/09/2009 09:46:34 PM 1587 Views
Re: Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years. StinkerSkunk - 28/09/2009 10:04:02 PM 1392 Views
Re: Chapter summary RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:50:36 PM 1653 Views
Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 1657 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 1680 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 1591 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? AliasRY - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 1532 Views
Can Fain do that? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 1511 Views
No he can't (couldn't) DomA - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 1730 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 1639 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 1517 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 1500 Views
Ambitious people are like that redhand - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 1581 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 1525 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself FredWeasley - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 1510 Views
This made my morning happy. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 1606 Views
I think it's different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 1645 Views
True. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 1660 Views
Re: True. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 1527 Views
I also think Egwene might free them from it once she becomes recognized Amyrlin *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:36:55 PM 1017 Views
Re: I think it's different. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 1513 Views
There's still a difference... fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 1408 Views
Re: There's still a difference... BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 1439 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 1457 Views
Re: But... Amyrlin Seat - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 1465 Views
She could have not bungled up... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 1260 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 1499 Views
he's saying that. Deadsy - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1360 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 1412 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT redhand - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 1495 Views
Ever had rancid oil? Kiera - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2215 Views
Is Alviarin finished? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 1616 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind RandAllThor - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 1533 Views
Or Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 1702 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1268 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 1586 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 1504 Views
No they don't Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 1397 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* AgentOrange - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 942 Views
Her part will probably be... Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 1576 Views
I think her mission has changed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 1337 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? Gerbeaud - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1465 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! Etzel - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 1560 Views
Painful to listen to Bulgakov - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 1607 Views
Not finished it yet MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 1690 Views
WHITE! sue - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 1537 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 1569 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 1666 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 1334 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 1421 Views
She doesn't.. Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 1394 Views
I doubt it - I'm of the opinion that Moridin may be next on SH's "personal attentions" list RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 05:16:38 PM 1548 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 1511 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 1312 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 1513 Views
I disagree Marshall - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 1610 Views
nice idea *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 874 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 1501 Views
I think... Etzel - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 1687 Views
Re: I think... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 1276 Views
Re: I think... Sidious - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 1649 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 1364 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 1515 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1274 Views
Re: I think... Ryan - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 1429 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 1469 Views
I was totally caught off guard! entyti - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 1492 Views
I all excited! sue - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 1422 Views
Yay Deadsy - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 1681 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1118 Views
is she wrong? Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 1565 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 1699 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 1513 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too Isaac - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 1440 Views
Re: is she wrong? BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 1580 Views
Re: is she wrong? fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 1371 Views
You're totally wrong Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 1523 Views
Re: You're totally wrong Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 1484 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 1732 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 1653 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 1575 Views
I disagree in some ways Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 1330 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 1492 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO ajfurst - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 1437 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 862 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 1618 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 1540 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen randfandom - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 1490 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 1552 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 953 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... Crackbrained Asha'man - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 1417 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 1345 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 1463 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 1469 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 1565 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 1561 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 1498 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 1258 Views
no.. urizen - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1365 Views
The title of book 13... Etzel - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1357 Views
Swing and a miss. The Dude - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 1554 Views
As said Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1352 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? Isaac - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1398 Views
Yes, those Towers... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 1459 Views
Seems unlikely to me. RandAllThor - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 1493 Views
Yeah, that's possible. Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 1456 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... Rand al'Thor - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1311 Views
I think it's an exaggeration Deadsy - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 1450 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... randfandom - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 1487 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 1345 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 951 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 1244 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 1397 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 1439 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 1428 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers ajfurst - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1365 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. fionwe1987 - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1309 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 1373 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 1457 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 1714 Views
I experienced just the opposite Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 1534 Views
Totally disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1387 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 917 Views
Really? CupofDice - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1397 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? BlackAdder - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 1395 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 900 Views
In regards to Alviarin. Heiko - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 1502 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 1437 Views
I think it would serve as motivation for those who say "You don't have to like the Amrylin" to turn. Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:08:19 AM 1477 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 1602 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 1566 Views
Re: The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Ryan - 26/09/2009 04:45:32 AM 1378 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1401 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 947 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 989 Views
What about Mesaana? Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1312 Views
Definitely Mesana-- but I was wondering if the Shadar Logoth taint leaked onto Elaida a little Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 07:43:24 PM 1530 Views
Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 1446 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 1442 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1462 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 1457 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Lanfear - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 1585 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1478 Views
That's not his argument though Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1296 Views
Ah okay. Sidious - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1400 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 1533 Views
I think... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 1535 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1183 Views
That is really good idea Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 1619 Views
Though... Etzel - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1484 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1295 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath aldapelan - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 1439 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: The Angry Druid - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1418 Views
Egwene and Mesaana Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1479 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... Shannow - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1502 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1331 Views
Agreed Sidious - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1404 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. The Angry Druid - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1498 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 929 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1414 Views
Humph. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1360 Views
She was overconfident Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1398 Views
A lie by Elaida? Etzel - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 1618 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1417 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? Amyrlin Seat - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1360 Views
I don't think it covers things like that Isaac - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 1399 Views
She believes what she said *NM* Sidious - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 913 Views
Remember, perspective. Great Lord of Chaos - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1298 Views
It might well be true BlackAdder - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1412 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1256 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. Narg - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1483 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Watcher - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1230 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Knightscape - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1390 Views
She'll do everything to re-unite the Tower - except anything that could actually re-unite it ajfurst - 29/09/2009 02:26:10 AM 1476 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ Lord o' Salv - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1416 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1473 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1470 Views
Ridiculous Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1292 Views
Very. Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1430 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1409 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1464 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1372 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1395 Views
Re: Hmmm.... RandAllThor - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 1716 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* guttering flame - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 859 Views
Elaida, Formidable? Rurouni_Kenshin - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1461 Views
How do you figure? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1214 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1410 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1313 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1282 Views
Ignore *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 891 Views
Oh yeah, and... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1538 Views
Egwene in this chapter... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1440 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1568 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading ajfurst - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1431 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* AgentOrange - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1021 Views
A lot of that is the narrator Isaac - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1494 Views
The Dark One's Touch Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1517 Views
Good point! *NM* Etzel - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 926 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch Sidious - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1312 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Lanfear - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1284 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1524 Views
The Irony of Elaida dadof5 - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1428 Views
LOL, I agree. Great Lord of Chaos - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1394 Views
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