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A rebuke to Cannolli's Sanderson bashing (and some counter bashing) Ashaman_Wannabe Send a noteboard - 16/11/2011 04:32:25 AM
I am getting a little tired of all the "last two books are the worst in the series" and "CoT is actually the best in the series" and "readers who do not think so are shallow and less refined than yours truly" and no opposition. The only sensible response came from DoMa who presented a mature, in-depth, level-headed assessment of the pro-s and con-s without trying to pat himself on the back in the process for being oh so smart and insightful unlike those other WoT readers.

It is time for a reality check. The Wheel of Time is a fantasy series meant for and successful at mass appeal. Fantasy is a mass appeal genre meant to please readers (like myself) who enjoy epic scale, large battle scenes, explosions, RPG elements (X is stronger than Y in the Power, Weave X better counters Y attacks than Weave Y), creepy, deformed, despicable yet somehow cool villains and good triumphing over evil after some struggle and high stakes wagers.

If you exclusively want and enjoy deep characterization, intricate plot, subtlety, analysis provoking mysteries, etc. then epic fantasy series are not the place to look for them and certainly not the place to complain about the lack thereof. You do not go to a Michael Bay movie looking for Oscar material. You do not read or watch "The Road" looking for a good laugh. You do not watch Saw and complain that it's gross, etc. Doing any of the above is childish and worse.

With the above in mind you do not bash an author for bringing life, action and speed to a previously slowed down, almost ground to a halt fantasy series.

I tremendously enjoyed both tGS and ToM and am enthusiastically looking forward to AMoL and I applaud Sanderson's change of tone. I was deeply disappointed with CoT and justifiably so. It was completely out of place compared to any other book in the series and I would strongly recommend skimming it to any fellow reader I care about who is into WoT.

I enjoy WoT primarily for three things - the One Power system of superhuman abilities and its rules and exceptions (nod to Sidious), the ta'veren explanation of why the main good guys are virtually unbeatable - instead of shying away from it Jordan dives into the issue head first and I applaud that, and thirdly - Rand. Any book that provides plenty of the above is close to the top of my list.

White Tower politics - don't care, it's given more attention than it needs.

Egwene's integrity of character - don't care, she's a poster child for quick maturing under the pressure of circumstances and that's enough said about her.

Adeleas and Vandene murder mystery - don't care, totally unnecessary drag for three books, close to 0 payoff.

Aram storyline - massively bloated (7 books) with the only meaningful takeout being Perrin's thought towards the end of ToM - I failed you my friend, but I need to move on. Did not need 7 (9 if we count the ToM sentence) books to get there.

The list goes on and on, but here's the point: Jordan is, in my book a stellar world builder and average storyteller. Excellent setup and concepts for a fantasy series but overweight storytelling. I do not enjoy subtlety where it does not belong. If you're going to trick Sammael with decoy attacks say so - no need to allude to springing traps, he won't know until it's too late and so forth for the enitrety of LoC only to reveal a straightforward plan of attack in the last chapter of aCoS. This is where I appreciate Sanderson - he actually states and shows what's going on instead of beating around the bush to bring subtlety and intrigue where it is not needed.

But the subtlety and bloated political intrigue is Jordan's way of having fun with the series and so does not warrant more than minor complaints. I ignored and skimmed it and focused on what I want out of the series - battles, OP action, Rand, tough decisions and with that focus I have thoroughly enjoyed every book in the series save for CoT.

With all the above in mind, is the timing of events wrong in Tom? Yes. Do I care? No.

Do words like "carbon" belong in WoT? No. Do I care, hold it against Sanderson and let it diminish my enjoyment of WoT? No.

Is Cannolli a highly intelligent, meticulous and insightful reader, more so than myself? Yes. Is he immature and annoying about it (or pretending to be in order to spark posts such as this?) Yes.





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A rebuke to Cannolli's Sanderson bashing (and some counter bashing) - 16/11/2011 04:32:25 AM 2067 Views
"You do not read or watch "The Road" looking for a good laugh." - 16/11/2011 03:02:31 PM 889 Views
Fantasy is so much more than you think it is - 16/11/2011 03:19:53 PM 977 Views
Re: Fantasy is so much more than you think it is - 18/11/2011 02:09:30 AM 951 Views
Re: A rebuke to Cannolli's Sanderson bashing (and some counter bashing) - 16/11/2011 03:23:45 PM 1242 Views
+1 - 16/11/2011 03:37:26 PM 802 Views
Re: +1 - 16/11/2011 05:29:40 PM 975 Views
Are there really people who like Sanderson's WoT better than Jordan's? - 17/11/2011 03:44:53 AM 729 Views
It depends... - 17/11/2011 05:40:24 PM 815 Views
Re: It depends... - 17/11/2011 07:31:38 PM 900 Views
Uh... I like them more than some of his books? - 06/12/2011 09:51:59 PM 733 Views
+1 more - 17/11/2011 05:47:42 AM 965 Views
Re: +1 more - 17/11/2011 06:14:45 AM 831 Views
What do you mean by "abuses dialogue to carry scenes?" - 17/11/2011 03:38:03 PM 731 Views
Re: What do you mean by "abuses dialogue to carry scenes?" - 17/11/2011 04:34:30 PM 851 Views
A considered and mature response. Or some crude name-calling - read and find out which! - 17/11/2011 05:37:38 AM 952 Views
ha ha ha love your final metaphor *NM* - 17/11/2011 03:54:58 PM 386 Views
So do I !!! - 17/11/2011 06:15:24 PM 1074 Views
Re: A considered and mature response. Or some crude name-calling - read and find out which! - 18/11/2011 02:40:04 AM 780 Views
Good point. Very well reasoned and articulate. - 18/11/2011 03:01:29 AM 856 Views
Re: A considered and mature response. Or some crude name-calling - read and find out which! - 18/11/2011 02:44:15 AM 726 Views
This is the stupidest thing I have ever read in my life. That B-Sand did not write. - 18/11/2011 03:02:45 AM 898 Views
*confused* - 18/11/2011 03:38:34 AM 831 Views
Yes, absolutely not. *NM* - 18/11/2011 06:18:32 PM 359 Views
Sorry for the double post *NM* - 18/11/2011 05:04:35 AM 980 Views
No way tGS and ToM are the worst in the series. Not the best, but not the worst. - 02/12/2011 06:20:43 PM 1204 Views

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