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Re: Yes - I said Altara is effectively south as they don't control or patrol most of their lands. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 11/11/2011 11:28:40 PM
Evidently, you were incorrect. As far as not holding northern Altara, that is irrelevant, it is still nominally part of Altara. For comparison's sake, Andor only nominally holds anything west of Whitebridge, which does not stop Andor from treating the raising of a lord in the Two Rivers as an actual rebellion. Borders actually do matter. If Andor or Murandy or Ghealdan tried to seize that area, that might not only give the monarchy the outside threat it needs to extend its influence over its own country, but it would also draw the attention of those nations' enemies who would rush to defend Altara to stymie the expansion of those countries.

If Andor were to cross Altara's borders to "defend" the road against the Seanchan, then that would be an invasion of Altara and an act of war against the Seanchan. And probably futile - as mentioned earlier, Andor itself hardly holds its own territory west of the Arinelle, and most of the Altaran territory being discussed is also west of that river.


I'm not going to deny you are technically right but this was a point that was brought up in the story - Tuon had promised Beslan she would secure the rest of the country, since the rulership had effectively been reduced to Ebou Dar and immediate surrounding lands before then.


Hey, all I said was that the eastern road out of Ghealdan went through Altara. You said it didn't unless they followed its southern course. If you want to redefine the word "country" so that your statement becomes true, you are free to do so, but I would advise you to explain that redefinition beforehand, because the territory of a country is typically defined by its internationally accepted borders, and that's what most people will assume you mean.
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Ghealdan needs a road - 04/11/2011 07:05:21 AM 1340 Views
Ghealdan does have a road to the east. - 04/11/2011 02:37:38 PM 913 Views
I think his point is that road goes through Seachan held northern Altara. *NM* - 04/11/2011 06:10:17 PM 333 Views
Only if they stay on a southern course. Altara is actually farther south. - 04/11/2011 07:43:01 PM 662 Views
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No, no it doesn't. - 10/11/2011 03:16:19 AM 797 Views
I think you are incorrect, but not b/c of map - because of what the projection of force would need - 10/11/2011 03:07:43 PM 715 Views
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I said the road goes through northern Altara, and you disagreed, claiming Altara was further south. - 10/11/2011 06:12:11 PM 654 Views
Yes - I said Altara is effectively south as they don't control or patrol most of their lands. - 11/11/2011 09:58:41 PM 690 Views
Re: Yes - I said Altara is effectively south as they don't control or patrol most of their lands. - 11/11/2011 11:28:40 PM 677 Views
Proof That a Picture is Worth a Thousand Words *NM* - 11/11/2011 04:49:21 AM 317 Views
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Ability to survive - 05/11/2011 02:53:26 PM 748 Views
naw demandred will protect them *NM* - 05/11/2011 10:18:56 PM 308 Views
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They have alternatives actually - 15/11/2011 02:48:22 PM 615 Views
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