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sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM* Iceman Send a noteboard - 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM

The audio clip is 48 minutes long, and it's kind of impressive to listen to. It's the first time that I've listened to an audio chapter and it's rather appealing. That said, if you don't feel like listening to it, here is the chapter summary...

It starts off with Egwene is Silviana's study. She has been beaten again, and she wipes off the tears and looks in the mirror and smiles. Silviana wonders whether her punishment is useless and looks at the lash hopelessly. She marks Egwene down for further punishment, citing that Egwene will probably not show the proper manners when leaving anyway. Egwene says that she's been invited to have dinner with Elaida, which shocks Silviana.

Egwene leaves and is met by Katerine and Barasine, who give her another dose of forkroot. Katerine is amusingly wearing red slashed with black. Egwene notices the halls of the Tower and sees Sisters walking quickly in groups of the same ajah - some even holding on to saidar. She refuses to be early for Elaida because that will show deference, so she decides to hang around outside the Mistress of Novice's rooms and wait. She wants to see if Alviarin will show up. While doing this she asks Katerine and Barasine how they can tolerate the Tower being in such a state of desrepair. Katerine is dismissive and tells her to report to the Mistress tonight again, but Barasine looks troubled. The Mistress's door closes, and Egwene thinks that Silviana has been listening to her rant about the Tower, and she smiles to herself. Egwene tells the two Reds that they should be harsh on Elaida because her legacy will be the Reds'.

The three of them walk off to Elaida's rooms, but on the way the passage is suddenly blocked by a wall, and Egwene says that the Tower is changing on a daily basis, with new passages forming - a sure sign that the Dark One is stirring. She notices a painting of a previous Amyrlin who settled a dispute several centuries previously - but the Amyrlin's face is covered in blood and the people have become dead bodies. Egwene says it is the first time that the Pattern is actually altering reality in things like paintings. She muses on rumours she's heard in the Tower - of how Rand escaped the Aes Sedai, of how Ash'aman captured the Aes Sedai and bonded them.

She reaches Elaida, and Meidani opens the doors. Egwene struggles as to how she'll be with Elaida. She decides to face Elaida head on, but decides that will lead to her execution or imprisonment, making it difficult to win the Tower. She thus decides to be meek and subservient and make Elaida think there is no battle. This proves to be difficult because everything Elaida does enrages Egwene. Egwene notices that Elaida's shawl doesn't contain the Blue ajah, and she thinks that she herself would have chosen Green if she hadn't been made Amyrlin. Elaida's rooms are extravagant and richly decorated, and Egwene muses on how Siuan would have been different. She bows to Elaida and feels the agony of it. Elaida laughs and tells her she expected a fight, after what she heard.

Elaida starts to torment Meidani, who Egwene knows to be a spy. She knows that Elaida knows too. Elaida has forced Meidani to read up on traitors in the Tower's history, and she jokes that maybe Meidani should lose the shawl because she's dimwitted. Meidani is horrified, and Egwene too. Elaida then says that the rumours of the Seanchan are nonsense, and Egwene is very angry about this. She says that her dreaming makes it certain that the Seanchan will hit the Tower soon. Egwene wishes that Elaida knew the pain of the a'dam, and Egwene says that she still has problems with freedom and struggles with her history as a damane. Elaida says that the biggest problem facing the Tower isn't the Seanchan - it's the lack of Aes Sedai obedience. Elaida says she plans to incorporate a 4th Oath - to obey the Amyrlin Seat without question. This causes Egwene such shock she drops the soup she is serving on to Elaida's expensive carpet, and nearly onto Elaida.

Elaida curses and runs to get servants to clean the carpet, but orders Meidani to help Egwene, citing that the carpet cost more than Emonds Field. Lol. Egwene uses this opportunity to tell Meidani to send for her to tuition so that they can chat. Meidani says that she won't be ordered by a novice, but Egwene says that she's the Amyrlin and she better remember that. Meidani realises Egwene's game, and says she'll send for her. Elaida returns and orders Egwene out, and tells her to get beaten, healed, and beaten again - and to return later in the week to serve her.

Egwene goes to the kitchen to eat. The novices have put her cushion on the seat for her sore butt, but she eats alone because it is so late. She washes her plate and catches Laras's eye. Egwene then muses on how Rand is going through the world unguided (which is ominous if you ask me). She then returns to Silviana and notices that she's reading a book on how Amyrlins were raised in the past. Silviana starts beating her after she says what Elaida told her about a 4th Oath. Egwene starts to laugh, and Silviana becomes concerned that her mind is broken. She says she's laughing because they think they can harm her body when the agony of seeing the Tower in such a state is far worse. She plants some seeds in Silviana's mind, and says she has much work to do.
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Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers* - 24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM 7293 Views
Mind-numbingly boring... - 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM 2055 Views
I thought it was excellent *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:32:05 PM 1162 Views
Only for someone who can't read between the lines. - 24/09/2009 07:40:18 PM 1918 Views
I adored it. *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:37:38 PM 1010 Views
Agreed, but only because of the incredibly slow audio reading. FORTY-FIVE minutes for ONE chapter!!! *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:08:27 AM 1072 Views
EVERY Chapter in the entire series is read that way. - 25/09/2009 01:40:07 PM 1559 Views
Yup, they're a lot of fun to listen to. - 26/09/2009 08:26:52 PM 1497 Views
Agreed. As for the speed issue... - 28/09/2009 02:11:13 PM 1408 Views
Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” - 28/09/2009 01:03:35 PM 2049 Views
Chapter summary - 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM 2145 Views
sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM 935 Views
I agree - I'm certain it was RJ *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:36:12 PM 1100 Views
Agreed. It was RJ through and through. *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:36:13 PM 991 Views
+1 - 25/09/2009 06:03:44 AM 1588 Views
I should disagree - 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM 1689 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 1616 Views
Re: Chapter summary - 24/09/2009 06:50:36 PM 1738 Views
Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 1743 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 1767 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 1676 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 1619 Views
Can Fain do that? - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 1588 Views
No he can't (couldn't) - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 1812 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 1713 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 1621 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 1585 Views
Ambitious people are like that - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 1659 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 1611 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 1601 Views
This made my morning happy. - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 1690 Views
I think it's different. - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 1743 Views
True. - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 1746 Views
Re: True. - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 1607 Views
Re: I think it's different. - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 1599 Views
There's still a difference... - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 1496 Views
Re: There's still a difference... - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 1524 Views
But... - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 1538 Views
Re: But... - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 1544 Views
She could have not bungled up... - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 1346 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 1586 Views
he's saying that. - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1439 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 1495 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 1579 Views
Ever had rancid oil? - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2291 Views
Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 1691 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 1622 Views
Or - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 1774 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1302 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 1665 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 1587 Views
No they don't - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 1481 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 977 Views
Her part will probably be... - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 1662 Views
I think her mission has changed. - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 1426 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1568 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 1634 Views
Painful to listen to - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 1692 Views
Not finished it yet - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 1764 Views
WHITE! - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 1618 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 1665 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 1751 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 1414 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 1509 Views
She doesn't.. - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 1470 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 1600 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 1391 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 1594 Views
I disagree - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 1689 Views
nice idea *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 927 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 1579 Views
I think... - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 1772 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 1364 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 1725 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 1461 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 1602 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1358 Views
Re: I think... - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 1522 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 1556 Views
I was totally caught off guard! - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 1580 Views
I all excited! - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 1492 Views
Yay - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 1764 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1152 Views
is she wrong? - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 1648 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 1822 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 1609 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 1503 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 1676 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 1459 Views
You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 1616 Views
Re: You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 1570 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 1810 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 1771 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 1647 Views
I disagree in some ways - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 1419 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 1568 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 1519 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 897 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 1697 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 1634 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 1573 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 1635 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 983 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 1483 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 1428 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 1554 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 1550 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 1621 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 1639 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 1571 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 1354 Views
no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1452 Views
The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1441 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 1640 Views
As said - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1428 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1490 Views
Yes, those Towers... - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 1550 Views
Seems unlikely to me. - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 1580 Views
Yeah, that's possible. - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 1531 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1414 Views
I think it's an exaggeration - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 1538 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 1578 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 1429 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 1000 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 1326 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 1481 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 1510 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 1503 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1443 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1388 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 1464 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 1533 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 1794 Views
I experienced just the opposite - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 1626 Views
Totally disagree - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1457 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 954 Views
Really? - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1480 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 1478 Views
In regards to Alviarin. - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 1592 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 1520 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 1688 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 1655 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1491 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 985 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1030 Views
What about Mesaana? - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1404 Views
Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 1534 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 1524 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1542 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 1538 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 1678 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1567 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1377 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1492 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 1618 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 1612 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1274 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 1704 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1561 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1376 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 1514 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1493 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1561 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1586 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1415 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1477 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1586 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 961 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1487 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1439 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1481 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 1700 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1501 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1444 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 1471 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 943 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1376 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1495 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1304 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1565 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1323 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1466 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1500 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1543 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1552 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1377 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1508 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1494 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1548 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1452 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1479 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 1806 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 908 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1551 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1291 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1513 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1407 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1364 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 920 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1620 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1518 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1645 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1512 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1053 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1570 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1603 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 975 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1397 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1364 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1606 Views
The Irony of Elaida - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1515 Views
LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1472 Views

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