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I want one or the other. Tom Send a noteboard - 02/08/2011 05:07:41 PM
I have traditionally read fantasy for fun, action-based entertainment. The "few meaningful things" in fantasy are generally throw-away ideas, unless you're talking about a few exceptional books here and there.

It should also be said that there is plenty of crap in the realm of "serious" or "realistic" literature. However, when someone reads a classic book, it is precisely because not only is it realistic, but it has also stood the test of time, with profound messages and themes that are perennial issues for people, whether they be existential, moral or otherwise. The reason they work better than fantasy is because they ring true. Sure, you could have a fantasy series that explores, for example, racism, in a non-confrontational way, but it's still just going to be a pale reflection of the real experiences represented in the (admittedly fictional) account of Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird. A series like Narnia can explore the Christian message in an alternate universe, but its message is nothing compared to The Brothers Karamazov in terms of trying to understand Christianity in a post-Nietzschean setting.

For many people, and I find myself increasingly in this category the more I read, the distraction of the implausible world, poorly-defined cultures and fanciful creatures is unnecessary, unhelpful and frankly just absurd. If there were any serious message, it is lost in the silliness of the setting. As a result, I can only read fantasy with a view to mindless entertainment.

The problem is that both Jordan (in books 7-11, and with Sanderson in 13) lost the ability to write entertaining books as he got bogged down. Martin has shown, in his latest two installments, the same tendency. Add to this that every fantasy writer since Tolkien thinks they have to write 3-12 book series, and you can see why I am just giving up on the genre.

Sci-fi, I will admit, has a few more options for "realism" because it can posit hypothetical questions that have bearing on the real world, or paint pictures of bleak outcomes for humanity if mistakes being made are not corrected. Obviously, we're not talking about the fantastic sorts of sci-fi like Star Wars, but more books along the lines of Solaris or movies like Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (which I will admit can be classified as sci-fi though the level of hypothetical development is very small).

I think you can see why fantasy is just failing on both counts for me. It's too absurd to be taken seriously (most of the time - I'm sure there are some rare exceptions out there) and too prone to getting bogged down due to the serialization that is rampant in the industry to be entertaining.

It's at the point where I can't bring myself to read The Way of Kings even though I've liked Sanderson's books. He's an entertaining author but the thought of a ten-book series just turns me off, particularly after Martin and Jordan.
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A Dance of Dragons will influence A Memory of Light? - 28/07/2011 03:30:30 PM 2398 Views
It's impossible for nothing to happen in AMoL. - 28/07/2011 07:30:02 PM 1368 Views
Oh, you're so cute in your innocence! - 02/08/2011 06:14:37 AM 1140 Views
Good thing I wasn't drinking milk when I read this. - 07/08/2011 10:24:29 PM 960 Views
Yeah, suck it WoT-haters! We're eclectic! *NM* - 11/08/2011 02:00:05 AM 593 Views
Regardless of how bad it is, stuff still WILL happen. *NM* - 10/08/2011 05:30:02 PM 407 Views
Re: A Dance of Dragons will influence A Memory of Light? - 28/07/2011 07:37:24 PM 1130 Views
Those who says that nothing happens in ADWD really need to read CoT - 29/07/2011 12:02:23 PM 1145 Views
~facepalm~ - 08/08/2011 12:10:47 AM 967 Views
A Dance of Dragons is hardly filler. *shrugs* *NM* - 31/07/2011 04:43:58 PM 617 Views
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That's like a pissing match between Gigli and Ishtar. - 02/08/2011 04:43:18 AM 867 Views
I regret wasting much of July reading it, so I respectfully disagree. - 02/08/2011 04:41:39 AM 954 Views
I do request that you don't lump ALL of fantasy into those two authors - 02/08/2011 06:08:21 AM 941 Views
You are completely overlooking his point, however. - 02/08/2011 06:12:45 AM 1012 Views
F*** you, you idiot. *NM* - 02/08/2011 06:13:48 AM 425 Views
At least he didn't ramble for five thousand words before actually making a point. *NM* - 03/08/2011 11:04:06 PM 472 Views
Are you talking about Cannoli or Joel? : - 03/08/2011 11:15:36 PM 931 Views
*NM* - 04/08/2011 04:19:40 AM 468 Views
There is that. - 04/08/2011 04:51:39 PM 854 Views
And a direct reply: - 02/08/2011 06:25:28 AM 1010 Views
that's fair enough - 03/08/2011 12:22:34 AM 932 Views
Pretty much. - 15/08/2011 04:49:40 PM 764 Views
Wait... You want intelligent meaningful books, but you're demanding action? - 02/08/2011 06:52:00 AM 936 Views
I want one or the other. - 02/08/2011 05:07:41 PM 820 Views
I don't mind a little of both - 02/08/2011 10:02:23 PM 755 Views
That's debatable. *NM* - 07/08/2011 11:07:51 PM 468 Views
I've wanted to say this for so long - 05/08/2011 02:21:10 AM 951 Views
This "fluff" as you call it is important. - 05/08/2011 02:54:32 AM 1061 Views

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