"You will never forget" implies that there will be a long future in which to remember her punishment
Shannow Send a noteboard - 24/06/2011 03:39:44 PM
I'm of the opinion that Graendal will be seriously punished, but will not be destroyed or irreparably compromised. I base this off of Shaidar Haran's statement that (paraphrasing) "You will never forget what comes next, and I will never forget you." This implies that she will still have some presence but her status would be greatly reduced.
We've seen worse failures from four of the Forsaken, two of which we are sure resulted in a similar "punishment", and one of which may have happened off-screen. Mesaana was a second-rate Chosen and in many ways was less effective than Moghedien. We are positive that both were physically molested as part of their punishment, but only one was mindtrapped. Aran'gar may have been punished this way, as well, but with her/his warped personality, this may have resulted in his/her acceptance of their new body. Asmodean was due for punishment but was killed before he could be brought to the Dark One for it. I don't count Lanfear's punishment because she was dealt with harshly less as a result of her failure and more because she intended to betray the Shadow if she could bring Rand to her side. It seems that the major mark against Graendal is that she cost the Dark One three tools and was not able to use another to any great effect (even though I don't think Slayer is a reliable or particularly useful agent). She basically squandered resources to no great purpose. The chaos of Arad Doman, however, is a major point in her favor and the results of that could ameliorate her demotion.
So now I'm wondering how major her punishment would be. What do you all think?
-Will she be mindtrapped? If she is, she may be given to Demandred or Moridin as one of their assistants. Worse yet, perhaps she'll be assigned to Mazrim Taim to oversee her (that would mean she's fallen a long way in status, though).
-Will she be physically assaulted until her personality changes back to Kamarile's ascetism? She may next appear having no concern for how she appears and may participate in the final battles.
-Will she become Shaidar Haran's wife a la the bride of Frankenstein and forced to please it however it wants? Perhaps it can even breed and she may become more similar to her namesake by becoming a mother.
-Or do you simply think she's dead or so destroyed that she no longer exists?
We've seen worse failures from four of the Forsaken, two of which we are sure resulted in a similar "punishment", and one of which may have happened off-screen. Mesaana was a second-rate Chosen and in many ways was less effective than Moghedien. We are positive that both were physically molested as part of their punishment, but only one was mindtrapped. Aran'gar may have been punished this way, as well, but with her/his warped personality, this may have resulted in his/her acceptance of their new body. Asmodean was due for punishment but was killed before he could be brought to the Dark One for it. I don't count Lanfear's punishment because she was dealt with harshly less as a result of her failure and more because she intended to betray the Shadow if she could bring Rand to her side. It seems that the major mark against Graendal is that she cost the Dark One three tools and was not able to use another to any great effect (even though I don't think Slayer is a reliable or particularly useful agent). She basically squandered resources to no great purpose. The chaos of Arad Doman, however, is a major point in her favor and the results of that could ameliorate her demotion.
So now I'm wondering how major her punishment would be. What do you all think?
-Will she be mindtrapped? If she is, she may be given to Demandred or Moridin as one of their assistants. Worse yet, perhaps she'll be assigned to Mazrim Taim to oversee her (that would mean she's fallen a long way in status, though).
-Will she be physically assaulted until her personality changes back to Kamarile's ascetism? She may next appear having no concern for how she appears and may participate in the final battles.
-Will she become Shaidar Haran's wife a la the bride of Frankenstein and forced to please it however it wants? Perhaps it can even breed and she may become more similar to her namesake by becoming a mother.
-Or do you simply think she's dead or so destroyed that she no longer exists?
It is pointless telling someone they will never forget what comes next if they die as part of the process. "Never forget" doesn't mean much if "never" only refers to a few minutes.
Something real bad will be done to her, and she will apparently have a long time in store to reflect on it.
Where could we see Graendal? *spoiler if you haven't read ToM, which you should have by now *
22/06/2011 04:46:39 PM
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Re: Where could we see Graendal? *spoiler if you haven't read ToM, which you should have by now *
22/06/2011 07:24:24 PM
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"You will never forget" implies that there will be a long future in which to remember her punishment
24/06/2011 03:39:44 PM
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Do you think she'll be sent off to a vacuole?
24/06/2011 03:53:34 PM
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I'd be surprised if we see her again. Her character has served it's purpose
24/06/2011 04:22:49 PM
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Nah...
24/06/2011 06:02:17 PM
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Certainly possible, but it seems unnecessary to move the story forward at this point
25/06/2011 01:57:39 PM
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Then why not just kill her?
25/06/2011 04:49:44 PM
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Because RJ likes poetic justice...
26/06/2011 09:38:36 PM
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