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Also the fact that he is playing Efwene to get leaders all in one place is explicitly stated DrJacJacMcScrumptious Send a noteboard - 11/06/2011 11:26:18 AM
"Egwene was there with armies marshalled. He was ready for that. He'd counted on it. On the morrow he'd hear their commands. Not what he'd demand to keep him from breaking the seals- he was going to do that regardless of what Egwene said. .the demands ge made for going to face the Dark One (slight paraphrase at the end that doesn't change the meaning)... He didn't know what he'd do if they refused him. He doubted they would. Sometimes it was useful to have a reputation as irrational"

He has planned everything Egwene has done precisely because her response was so in character...


Rand's idea to kill the DO was before his epiphany. From what we know from RJ, such a thing should not be possible at all.

Yeah but having a plan to kill the DO probably has some aspect that can be applied to a plan to trap him. This is all supposition though.

What we do know is that he means to Seal him away again, but better than he did before. That much we can glean from statements he made to people he wouldn't lie to. Similarly, his statement to Min shows that his plan is unformed.

It shows he's missing important information for using Callandor. It also doesn't show that he literally intends to have this meeting then break the seals straight away. That is inferred from what e told Egwene which is deliberate misleading IMO. If not then I agree that his plan is very risky but just waiting and hoping things sort themselves out is not a better alternative.

Another reason why this is artificial is precisely because Egwene hasn't given logical reasons for opposing his plan. She's right that risking the DO lose before the very end is foolish. But she has more. Her Dream at least clearly indicates that Rand's plan is very dangerous. She should definitely have shared that with the Wise Ones and Elayne and Nyn, who all believe in her abilities. That she didn't only makes it more possible that this was a result of a shoddily introduced conflict.

I think it would be pretty in character, but then Egwene annoys me. Not that she hasn't done good things but she has made some very illogical decisions without Rand's excuse of madness. Plus any plan anyone comes up with cannot be guaranteed to succeed anyway- nobody knows what the DO is, he's always won in this cycle before, it's too much of a risk to try the same thing as last time but with Saidar and Saidin in case both get tainted. The only people with more knowledge of the DO that SuperRand are the FS and so only if Lanfear is genuinely going to switch over can trustworthy (if that) new useful information realistically come. It's all very well saying he needs to have everything perfectly planned out, but that can't happen. So should he wait forever for a plan that will never e finished or try and have some advantage of any kind? He's going to be punished next book for waiting so long as it is. Either he doesn't know enough about the bore and needs to find out more- which would require Lanfear or going to Shayol Gul and I suggest he should only do that once ever considering what it is!- or LTT already let's him know what he needs to know. There aren't many other places he can get useful information from! This idea of a perfect plan doesnt exist- every AS in the age of legends together couldn't come up with it.

As for stuff like the Cleansing... there were more than enough clues to Rand's plan well in advance. RJ never sprung something out of the blue there. It wasn't explicit, but neither was it without multiple clues in the series. This isn't a comparable situation.

How do you know? You don't know something is a clue until the event it is a clue for is revealed. I certainly didn't expect the Cleansing from the clues we were given, though I knew Saidin would have to be purified at some point. I didn't expect Rand to balefire Graendel's palace, or (until very late) trick and trap Asmodean. If anything this is Rand's MO when he's actually planning. He doesn't share his plans with his loved ones until the last minute, partially because they are dangerous and he knows they won't like the high risk to him.

I still think Rand will use Callandor in a circle to draw in the entire DO as the TP then try and seal it inside himself and throw himself through the bore, maybe as a corpse, using the Pattern that he can now control to close it up behind him. Then he might bodyswap with Moridin. There are clues that could indicate this but we won't know they are clues until we find put what actually happens. The whole purpose of a clue is to be obvious when the answer is revealed but not before then.
And the answer came to her instantly: pride. Oh, you hear them say it's a sin; you hear them say it goes before a fall. the shepherd prides himself on keeping the wolf out from the flock. We pride ourselves on making a good history of our lives, a good story to be told.
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