People who still have their wotmania SNs draw mine....
Joel Send a noteboard - 21/09/2009 05:25:15 PM
I changed mine at wotmania, so that makes it OK, you understand. Glad to see you made it; I emailed you about the closing, but the emails bounced, so I was concerned. Hope you're well, and sorry I've been so silent; things have been happening at 90 miles a minute.
Not sure why that one caught my eye either, but it did. Something subconscious, or collective unconscious, maybe. It does certainly seem to foreshadow SOMEONE taking Tar Valon, just as the whole bit about "the Stone has been here since the Breaking and NEVER fallen" meant someone should start a pool on the date (it WAS prophesied, after all. )
Good point, and one I missed because I'd already reached the point where I was thinking, I get it, I get it; "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth" tell the story already! Still think that section was too long, but maybe I missed other things, too. Still, we knew SOME of the Tower in Exile had Bonded Asha'man if only because of CoT; they were just scheduled to Bond MORE because of Logain. It's ominous to me that they're being held apart; that's not a good long term arrangement for any Bonded pair, but especially not those who can channel (although if they can Travel physical distance is rather pointless in as semi-permanent camp. ) The day will come they'll NEED to be in close proximity; sooner or later an Asha'man will remember women allow him to Link, or a woman will remember men allow them to Link more than twelve others. If nothing else, they'll encounter male and female channelers working together far more effectively than either gender can alone, and, if not similarly prepared, be hopelessly outmatched.
I don't see how full integration with a man as mad as LTT could do anything but make Rand mad, too. Perhaps they might "split the difference" (expecting Rand to be sane with all LTTs memories is as realistic as expecting LTT to be mad with all of Rands, and if they share all the same memories we may get a MPD that offers both at various times. ) The biggest (but still shaky, IMHO) argument for Rand being transmigrated to Moridins body is that it's probably the only way to get him away from LTT. The only other thin hope is that Semirhage is either lying (which LTT strongly doubts based on history) or flat out wrong about the chances of treatment.
That did seem odd, but perhaps it's a temporary improvement, or some other harm will befall him that blinds him. I suppose this is the problem when your favorite author reads Dune, too....
An interesting and very plausible line of reasoning. It's been heavily foreshadowed Faile will take charge of Saldaea at some point, and that would certainly clear the way. It seems more likely to me though that Tenobia would try her Sun King impression with the wrong Blood and end up with her head on a pike, which still clears the way for Faile without wiping out the other Borderland nobility. I'm not too worried about what thirteen Aes Sedai mean to Rand as long as he's traveling with Caddy, Nynaeve and Alivia though. Assuming they don't just start groveling when they see Cadsuane, we know it would be all they could do to keep Rand shielded, much less deal with three VERY powerful women with angreal who will NOT be pleased to have him in that state. Whatever you think of Caddy we both know she'd tolerate a shielded Dragon Reborn for about a nanosecond.
I dunno. The Seanchan are a kicked over anthill right now; if they DID meet with Rand, who would their envoy be representing? Only one member of the Imperial Family (may it etc. etc. ) still lives, and most people think she's dead, too. Ultimately, I think it's going to be Mat to the rescue again, as the one and only person to whom Rand, Egwene and Tuon might listen.
*nods*
Being without it might, too; I still don't like him being without his hand when 1) seemingly ALL Myrddraal are Blademasters, but Shadar Haran is Super-Myrddraal and 2) even if that weren't so, Shadar Haran can apparently shield anyone at will. He can't be beaten with the Power, and I was always OK with that because Rand is so lethal with a sword. No longer; if he IS intended to be the DOs avatar for dueling Rand, better hope Mat is once again there to save the day, or maybe Lan. I certainly don't expect Perrin to bash him with his hammer.
I want to say it's nothing, but everything is something with WoT. Could be she's going to be Neo-Semi; she's spending a lot of time around the woman, and her lengthy damane background gives her many of the required credentials, and probably a lot of the inclination. Yet we know she will be invaluable to Rand; of course, we also know it will be by "helping him die. "
Are you sure it's not just to show how completely Caddy has broken him...? Sorry; I couldn't resist. *hugs all better*
It really couldn't go on as it was. By Aes Sedai custom and protocol nearly as strong as law Caddy should defer to Nynaeve, and only her (ironic) stubborn rebelliousness and Nynaves youth prevent it. Caddy knows her age as well as anyone though, and I honestly think she sees Nynaeve as a worthy successor IF she can learn to control her emotions. The two have a lot in common other than strength in the Power and accessories; stubborn, independent, possessed of strong moral convictions that contribute to the first two qualities, so that when they take a stand on principle they're immovable. Caddy's just (usually) a helluva lot more subtle--and more effectively commanding, but she's been doing it longer, and had the benefit of spending an apprenticeship under the hateful domineering old hill woman when she was Nynaeves age. You think Caddy's bad, imagine what kind of person it takes for a NON-CHANNELER to keep a strong Aes Sedai from simply taking *-angreal the Tower considers theirs by right....
Well, at the risk of getting distastefully political, in this case I think Rand is right, if perhaps for the wrong reasons. One Shadar Logoth is enough, thanks; when you become the enemy you might as well surrender, because dead or alive they've won. That doesn't mean you roll over, but you don't chuck your morality out the window just for the sake of a "victory" that would then be possible in name only.
A bit conflicted, are we...? Of course, Caddy's made the career Nynaeve wants to of flouting the rules she insists everyone else observe just because She Knows Best. However, those skilled and experienced at doing that (as Caddy is supposed to be) are so successful in large part because they know when it is and isn't justified, safe and/or necessary to break the rules. Caddy can't publicly undercut the Dragon Reborn at every opportunity and then expect him to lead the Army of the Light at Tarmon Gaidon, and she can't even do it all the time privately if she expects him to have a whit of the self confidence he'll need.
As long as it's pragmatic without becoming amoral. After all, despite all her travels since TEotW, Nynaeve is really just a girl in her early (mid? I've never checked) twenties who'd never been outside her tiny farm village a few years ago. She may have seen a few calves birthed and pigs slaughtered, but she's never been to one of Siuans dockside brothels, much less witnessed Tarmon Gaidon. Not that I want to see her brutally scarred, but I'm sure Semi would enjoy the hell out of shocking and horrifying her, and equally sure Nynaeve would only tolerate it so long before she shut the female dogs mouth.
He had her pegged by the end of TFoH, far earlier, really. Add to that he's become uncomfortably familiar with how many things you don't like high leadership over people like Aes Sedai, much less Sitters in rebellion against Elaida, requires. On one level, Egwene HAS to be very assertive in any meeting with the Dragon Reborn to which her cadre is witness, lest they suspect her of weakness or simply fear she's too compliant with the dreaded Dragon. Rand knows all that, and knows Egwenes irrational temper as well.
What choice do they have? Those closest to Rand made what peace they could with what they suspected long ago; all that's changed for Nynaeve is she's gotten confirmation of some of the specifics. They're hardly shocking at this point, and surely evoke waves of sympathy from the Wisdom who changed his smallclothes.
He needs to recover some hope, or there's no way he'll make it. After a certain point he'll end up with his own variation of Perrins "the world can burn if it saves Faile. " I mean, really, the way he's going now, what's he got to fight for at Tarmon Gaidon? Slow agonizing death? He can have better than that with a quick head level weave of Fire. The only other incentive is to protect those he Loves, but if he continues trying to isolate himself from them, insulate himself from any feeling for them that might make them weapons against him, well, even that is gone. He needs to have some hope, however slim, however complicated, however arduous, that there's a winnable end game for him, or I can't see how he'll keep playing. He's fighting for the worlds survival, but in his heart he's already given up, and that's bad for the world....
Now go read my theory (which tangentially touches a few of your points) and tell me how smart I am; your boy Cannoli was no fun at all.
First, I agree with Cannoli that it is obviously Sanderson's work rather than RJ's but that didn't really bother me. The subtlety was missing, but in a way it makes sense and I believe RJ may have chosen the same path had he been writing it. The WoT world now is not what it was before. Tarmon Gai'don is drawing closer, the Dark One is apparently affecting the world more and more, and in a time where things are becoming that dire, the characters who are to play a large part in the coming war (or perhaps, the war that is already happening around them without them really acknowledging it) would completely moronic to be tiptoeing around what needs to be done. The first quote that caught my eye:
Even the black-veiled Aiel, who had ravaged the land during the Aiel War, had never taken the city. Many claimed this as a great victory. Others wondered what would have happened if the Aiel had actually wanted to cross into the city.
I'm not sure why this stood out to me. It may be nothing or it may be foreshadowing. Not necessarily foreshadowing the Aiel overtaking the city (though it is a possibility if they were to believe their Car'a'carn needed rescuing) but perhaps for the possibility of the Seanchan attempting to take the city. I don't know. For some reason, the paragraph stuck out like a sore thumb to me.
Even the black-veiled Aiel, who had ravaged the land during the Aiel War, had never taken the city. Many claimed this as a great victory. Others wondered what would have happened if the Aiel had actually wanted to cross into the city.
I'm not sure why this stood out to me. It may be nothing or it may be foreshadowing. Not necessarily foreshadowing the Aiel overtaking the city (though it is a possibility if they were to believe their Car'a'carn needed rescuing) but perhaps for the possibility of the Seanchan attempting to take the city. I don't know. For some reason, the paragraph stuck out like a sore thumb to me.
Not sure why that one caught my eye either, but it did. Something subconscious, or collective unconscious, maybe. It does certainly seem to foreshadow SOMEONE taking Tar Valon, just as the whole bit about "the Stone has been here since the Breaking and NEVER fallen" meant someone should start a pool on the date (it WAS prophesied, after all. )
The next quote, which I found infinitely more important due to the information that we were subtly given, IMO:
The rebel army was poised, but uncertain. Over fifty thousand strong, it camped in a massive ring of tents around the smaller camp of Aes Sedai. There was a tight perimeter between the inner camp and theouter one, a perimeter that had most recently been intended to exclude men, particularly those who could wield saidin.
It's the final sentence that contains information of import. We're told several things in that simple sentence, or at least it's hinted to us: 1) The rebels have clearly bonded Asha'man, 2) those Asha'man are being kept in the outer camp, and 3) they are not allowed into the inner camp with the Aes Sedai. The "tight perimeter" between the inner and outer camp is there specifically for the Asha'man the rebels bonded...to keep them out because they aren't trusted. So now we know the rebels got their men. We also know that the Reds got more, though we don't know how many, and, since the Reds intended to keep their Warders in the city, they are set apart as well.
The rebel army was poised, but uncertain. Over fifty thousand strong, it camped in a massive ring of tents around the smaller camp of Aes Sedai. There was a tight perimeter between the inner camp and theouter one, a perimeter that had most recently been intended to exclude men, particularly those who could wield saidin.
It's the final sentence that contains information of import. We're told several things in that simple sentence, or at least it's hinted to us: 1) The rebels have clearly bonded Asha'man, 2) those Asha'man are being kept in the outer camp, and 3) they are not allowed into the inner camp with the Aes Sedai. The "tight perimeter" between the inner and outer camp is there specifically for the Asha'man the rebels bonded...to keep them out because they aren't trusted. So now we know the rebels got their men. We also know that the Reds got more, though we don't know how many, and, since the Reds intended to keep their Warders in the city, they are set apart as well.
Good point, and one I missed because I'd already reached the point where I was thinking, I get it, I get it; "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth" tell the story already! Still think that section was too long, but maybe I missed other things, too. Still, we knew SOME of the Tower in Exile had Bonded Asha'man if only because of CoT; they were just scheduled to Bond MORE because of Logain. It's ominous to me that they're being held apart; that's not a good long term arrangement for any Bonded pair, but especially not those who can channel (although if they can Travel physical distance is rather pointless in as semi-permanent camp. ) The day will come they'll NEED to be in close proximity; sooner or later an Asha'man will remember women allow him to Link, or a woman will remember men allow them to Link more than twelve others. If nothing else, they'll encounter male and female channelers working together far more effectively than either gender can alone, and, if not similarly prepared, be hopelessly outmatched.
Other things I found interesting:
1. Rand not knowing whether his thought that "Should have killed them all." was his or Lews Therin's. This could either be a good sign or a bad one. On the good side, it's possible that he's getting to the point where LTT will be integrated with his personality. On the bad side, LTT's insanity is likely causing Rand insanity and full integration may cause it to be irreversible. On the other hand, full integration may simply give Rand all of LTT's memories and knowledge but Rand becomes "himself" again. I really wish that was the case but I fear it's not.
1. Rand not knowing whether his thought that "Should have killed them all." was his or Lews Therin's. This could either be a good sign or a bad one. On the good side, it's possible that he's getting to the point where LTT will be integrated with his personality. On the bad side, LTT's insanity is likely causing Rand insanity and full integration may cause it to be irreversible. On the other hand, full integration may simply give Rand all of LTT's memories and knowledge but Rand becomes "himself" again. I really wish that was the case but I fear it's not.
I don't see how full integration with a man as mad as LTT could do anything but make Rand mad, too. Perhaps they might "split the difference" (expecting Rand to be sane with all LTTs memories is as realistic as expecting LTT to be mad with all of Rands, and if they share all the same memories we may get a MPD that offers both at various times. ) The biggest (but still shaky, IMHO) argument for Rand being transmigrated to Moridins body is that it's probably the only way to get him away from LTT. The only other thin hope is that Semirhage is either lying (which LTT strongly doubts based on history) or flat out wrong about the chances of treatment.
2. His sight is apparently getting better on its own. That does leave me wondering about the bandages that will supposedly be over his eyes. Of course, that could merely be symbolic of his connection to the Fisher King on the board in sha'rah.
That did seem odd, but perhaps it's a temporary improvement, or some other harm will befall him that blinds him. I suppose this is the problem when your favorite author reads Dune, too....
3. His thoughts on the Borderlanders. He realizes their help would be invaluable for the coming battle but realizes that seeing them may be another fight. It's good that he's loathe to confront them since there are 13 Aes Sedai with them who, I have no doubt, mean to leash him in one way or another. In a way, I'd rather see the Borderland army get caught by the Seanchan and the 13 AS get collared. That would bring about an interesting situation as well: I don't see the Borderland leaders kneeling to the Seanchan. That isn't their style. In the end, the Seanchan would execute them and their army would be destroyed and/or scattered. That would leave it to Lan (and Faile) to bring the Borderlands to support Rand. And that feels right .
An interesting and very plausible line of reasoning. It's been heavily foreshadowed Faile will take charge of Saldaea at some point, and that would certainly clear the way. It seems more likely to me though that Tenobia would try her Sun King impression with the wrong Blood and end up with her head on a pike, which still clears the way for Faile without wiping out the other Borderland nobility. I'm not too worried about what thirteen Aes Sedai mean to Rand as long as he's traveling with Caddy, Nynaeve and Alivia though. Assuming they don't just start groveling when they see Cadsuane, we know it would be all they could do to keep Rand shielded, much less deal with three VERY powerful women with angreal who will NOT be pleased to have him in that state. Whatever you think of Caddy we both know she'd tolerate a shielded Dragon Reborn for about a nanosecond.
4. The Seanchan refusing to contact Rand. I have a feeling that this is a sign there will be no agreement between the Seanchan and Rand. The agreement will be between Egwene and the Seanchan (when the Seanchan attack the WT then get hit by the Shadow and have to work together to survive), which will cause Rand to have to go to Egwene. That isn't good for Rand, but it's what he'll have to deal with.
I dunno. The Seanchan are a kicked over anthill right now; if they DID meet with Rand, who would their envoy be representing? Only one member of the Imperial Family (may it etc. etc. ) still lives, and most people think she's dead, too. Ultimately, I think it's going to be Mat to the rescue again, as the one and only person to whom Rand, Egwene and Tuon might listen.
5. His thoughts on Graendal being in Arad Doman. We all knew a showdown was coming and it will apparently be in this book.
*nods*
6. Possible foreshadowing: Rand reaching for his sword, then thinking he had to stop that and reach for saidin instead. Otherwise, "it might get him killed someday".
Being without it might, too; I still don't like him being without his hand when 1) seemingly ALL Myrddraal are Blademasters, but Shadar Haran is Super-Myrddraal and 2) even if that weren't so, Shadar Haran can apparently shield anyone at will. He can't be beaten with the Power, and I was always OK with that because Rand is so lethal with a sword. No longer; if he IS intended to be the DOs avatar for dueling Rand, better hope Mat is once again there to save the day, or maybe Lan. I certainly don't expect Perrin to bash him with his hammer.
7. Alivia wearing red. I found that odd. Rand's thoughts are that she meant to be confrontational, then has a random thought that she had an intensity that suggested a Whitecloak. I know this was likely a random description, but something about it bugged me. Her wearing Red (being compared with someone of the Red Ajah and worse, a Whitecloak) is not a good sign.
I want to say it's nothing, but everything is something with WoT. Could be she's going to be Neo-Semi; she's spending a lot of time around the woman, and her lengthy damane background gives her many of the required credentials, and probably a lot of the inclination. Yet we know she will be invaluable to Rand; of course, we also know it will be by "helping him die. "
8. Cadsuane making Rand change his tone with a cocked eyebrow. I hate Cadsuane and have made no bones about sharing my feelings about her. I think she's overly abrasive, rude, and downright abusive to Rand and Nynaeve. However, this amused me. In KoD and the previous books, I thought she treated him like crap and didn't like her smacking him around. But when I compare that treatment to this - a mere cocked eyebrow - it seems different because, in this scene, she reminds me of a parent reminding an adult son that even though he's all grown up he'd better show some respect. As my mother always tells me, even now, she brought me into this world and she can take me out of it. When I get too...animated...she does the eyebrow cock at me and it has the same effect that Cadsuane's had on Rand. That sort of correction doesn't bother me.
Are you sure it's not just to show how completely Caddy has broken him...? Sorry; I couldn't resist. *hugs all better*
9. Cadsuane vs. Nynaeve. Again, it surprised me. Cadsuane wasn't respectful of Nynaeve in the least, but she let her have her say and despite the insulting "girl" crap, she even agreed with her on the topic of Semirhage. I'm not sure if this is simply BS's voice for Caddy or if RJ really meant for Caddy to start treating Rand and Nyn a bit better, but I like it. Whether or not it will continue, I'm not sure. This quote, however, really amused me:
“Well enough?” Nynaeve snapped. She had made no promises to
“Well enough?” Nynaeve snapped. She had made no promises to
Cadsuane about civility. “That woman is infuriating!”
It really couldn't go on as it was. By Aes Sedai custom and protocol nearly as strong as law Caddy should defer to Nynaeve, and only her (ironic) stubborn rebelliousness and Nynaves youth prevent it. Caddy knows her age as well as anyone though, and I honestly think she sees Nynaeve as a worthy successor IF she can learn to control her emotions. The two have a lot in common other than strength in the Power and accessories; stubborn, independent, possessed of strong moral convictions that contribute to the first two qualities, so that when they take a stand on principle they're immovable. Caddy's just (usually) a helluva lot more subtle--and more effectively commanding, but she's been doing it longer, and had the benefit of spending an apprenticeship under the hateful domineering old hill woman when she was Nynaeves age. You think Caddy's bad, imagine what kind of person it takes for a NON-CHANNELER to keep a strong Aes Sedai from simply taking *-angreal the Tower considers theirs by right....
10. Rand's refusal to let Cadsuane and Nynaeve hurt Semirhage or even threaten her in order to get information. I love Rand, but he's a numskull with this. Nynaeve's comment that Semirhage tells them that she'll kill them all may be foreshadowing and, in a way, I hope it is. Perhaps if Semirhage wastes Min or Nynaeve or Cadsuane (after Rand thinks to himself that she is worth her constant demands for decorum), he may stop being such an idiot about treating women of the Shadow as if they're delicate little flowers who must be treated with the utmost gentleness.
Well, at the risk of getting distastefully political, in this case I think Rand is right, if perhaps for the wrong reasons. One Shadar Logoth is enough, thanks; when you become the enemy you might as well surrender, because dead or alive they've won. That doesn't mean you roll over, but you don't chuck your morality out the window just for the sake of a "victory" that would then be possible in name only.
11. Cadsuane agreeing to do as Rand wishes with Semirhage despite her knowing that it's pure idiocy. I actually expected Cadsuane to be running things and Rand to be forced to accept it. Cadsuane has to see the danger of doing as Rand wishes, to herself and to Rand and his other allies, yet she obeys his wishes. It's...shocking. As much as I like Rand and want to see him supported completely, in Caddy's and Nyn's position I'd likely do as I pleased and ask forgiveness later, but perhaps the lesson she has to teach him will come as a result of his idiocy with Semirhage. One can hope, at least.
A bit conflicted, are we...? Of course, Caddy's made the career Nynaeve wants to of flouting the rules she insists everyone else observe just because She Knows Best. However, those skilled and experienced at doing that (as Caddy is supposed to be) are so successful in large part because they know when it is and isn't justified, safe and/or necessary to break the rules. Caddy can't publicly undercut the Dragon Reborn at every opportunity and then expect him to lead the Army of the Light at Tarmon Gaidon, and she can't even do it all the time privately if she expects him to have a whit of the self confidence he'll need.
12. Nynaeve's comment about the rules not applying to Semirhage. Me thinks Nynaeve's darker side might be attempting to get to the surface. We really haven't seen it from her yet - she was almost too lenient with the sul'dam when she rescued Egwene and was too lenient with Moghedien by far - but I have to wonder if the threat Semirhage poses may be making her harder. Perhaps whatever happens with Semirhage may not only knock some sense into Rand but will give Nynaeve more of an edge as well.
As long as it's pragmatic without becoming amoral. After all, despite all her travels since TEotW, Nynaeve is really just a girl in her early (mid? I've never checked) twenties who'd never been outside her tiny farm village a few years ago. She may have seen a few calves birthed and pigs slaughtered, but she's never been to one of Siuans dockside brothels, much less witnessed Tarmon Gaidon. Not that I want to see her brutally scarred, but I'm sure Semi would enjoy the hell out of shocking and horrifying her, and equally sure Nynaeve would only tolerate it so long before she shut the female dogs mouth.
13. Anyone who knows me had to know I'd comment on this:
“Turn her over to the White Tower, you say?” he said, glancing backinto the room. “Which White Tower? Would you entrust her to Elaida? Or did you mean the others? I doubt that Egwene would be pleased if I dropped one of the Forsaken in her lap. Egwene might just let Semirhage go and take me captive instead. Force me to kneel before the White Tower’s justice and gentle me just to give her another notch in her belt.”
Nynaeve frowned. “Rand! Egwene would never—”
“She’s Amyrlin,” he said, downing his cup of wine in one gulp. It was as putrid as he recalled. “Aes Sedai to the core. I’m just another pawn to her.”
The boy realizes he can't trust Egwene, which is a good thing. I don't even think she'd gentle him (not until after Tarmon Gai'don, at least), nor do I believe she'd let Semirhage go, but I think he's spot on with the rest of this and that she would definitely make him kneel. I just hope he keeps this attitude so that, when he "knows her anger", he can go off on her in return instead of being a mealy mouthed wuss who bends to her will.
“Turn her over to the White Tower, you say?” he said, glancing backinto the room. “Which White Tower? Would you entrust her to Elaida? Or did you mean the others? I doubt that Egwene would be pleased if I dropped one of the Forsaken in her lap. Egwene might just let Semirhage go and take me captive instead. Force me to kneel before the White Tower’s justice and gentle me just to give her another notch in her belt.”
Nynaeve frowned. “Rand! Egwene would never—”
“She’s Amyrlin,” he said, downing his cup of wine in one gulp. It was as putrid as he recalled. “Aes Sedai to the core. I’m just another pawn to her.”
The boy realizes he can't trust Egwene, which is a good thing. I don't even think she'd gentle him (not until after Tarmon Gai'don, at least), nor do I believe she'd let Semirhage go, but I think he's spot on with the rest of this and that she would definitely make him kneel. I just hope he keeps this attitude so that, when he "knows her anger", he can go off on her in return instead of being a mealy mouthed wuss who bends to her will.
He had her pegged by the end of TFoH, far earlier, really. Add to that he's become uncomfortably familiar with how many things you don't like high leadership over people like Aes Sedai, much less Sitters in rebellion against Elaida, requires. On one level, Egwene HAS to be very assertive in any meeting with the Dragon Reborn to which her cadre is witness, lest they suspect her of weakness or simply fear she's too compliant with the dreaded Dragon. Rand knows all that, and knows Egwenes irrational temper as well.
14. Cadsuane's reaction to Rand yelling at Lews Therin. Again, I do loathe her, but I found this priceless. She calmly sips tea while Rand yells at a voice in his head. Nynaeve's reaction was almost as good: a yank of the braid. Neither one goes off on him for yelling and no one tells him he's screwed in the head. They just accept it and keep going, in their own way. By the way, what was the "knowing" look from Alivia? She's beginning to give me the creeps in this chapter.
What choice do they have? Those closest to Rand made what peace they could with what they suspected long ago; all that's changed for Nynaeve is she's gotten confirmation of some of the specifics. They're hardly shocking at this point, and surely evoke waves of sympathy from the Wisdom who changed his smallclothes.
15. This part made me want to cry for Rand:
The thought was trivial. Ridiculous. He wanted to laugh. Only, the sound wouldn’t come out. He couldn’t summon even a wry humor, not anymore. Light! I can’t keep this up. My eyes see as if in a fog, my hand is burned away, and the old wounds in my side rip open if I do anything more strenuous than breathe. I’m dry, like an overused well. I need to finish my work here and get to Shayol Ghul. Otherwise, there won’t be anything left of me for the Dark One to kill.
The thought was trivial. Ridiculous. He wanted to laugh. Only, the sound wouldn’t come out. He couldn’t summon even a wry humor, not anymore. Light! I can’t keep this up. My eyes see as if in a fog, my hand is burned away, and the old wounds in my side rip open if I do anything more strenuous than breathe. I’m dry, like an overused well. I need to finish my work here and get to Shayol Ghul. Otherwise, there won’t be anything left of me for the Dark One to kill.
This is too close of a thought to my "Egwene will collar him and strap him to her back because he's blind, deaf, mute, armless, legless, bleeding and can't channel" scenario for comfort. The worst part is that he's right. He needs to break the seals and get on with it before there's no choice but to go with my scenario. Poor Rand.
He needs to recover some hope, or there's no way he'll make it. After a certain point he'll end up with his own variation of Perrins "the world can burn if it saves Faile. " I mean, really, the way he's going now, what's he got to fight for at Tarmon Gaidon? Slow agonizing death? He can have better than that with a quick head level weave of Fire. The only other incentive is to protect those he Loves, but if he continues trying to isolate himself from them, insulate himself from any feeling for them that might make them weapons against him, well, even that is gone. He needs to have some hope, however slim, however complicated, however arduous, that there's a winnable end game for him, or I can't see how he'll keep playing. He's fighting for the worlds survival, but in his heart he's already given up, and that's bad for the world....
Now go read my theory (which tangentially touches a few of your points) and tell me how smart I am; your boy Cannoli was no fun at all.
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Last First in wotmania Chat
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Your thoughts on TGS - Chapter 1
05/09/2009 05:23:47 PM
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For all of those whining about it not sounding like RJ:
05/09/2009 05:47:07 PM
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You're forgetting one thing.
06/09/2009 12:13:03 AM
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And if he were to off Egwene? What would your opinion be? *NM*
07/09/2009 05:38:36 AM
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He dislikes Sanderson's prose. Plot content is irrelevant here. *NM*
08/09/2009 06:44:42 PM
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Pretty good.
05/09/2009 07:35:41 PM
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Re: Pretty good.
05/09/2009 09:13:44 PM
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I found it well-written, but rather uninteresting story-wise *NM*
05/09/2009 08:04:15 PM
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because there should totaly be massive plot development in the first chapter
05/09/2009 08:29:18 PM
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I'm tired of passive story telling.
05/09/2009 08:57:13 PM
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I'm tired of mindless readers
06/09/2009 01:54:14 AM
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Re: I'm tired of mindless readers
06/09/2009 04:01:56 AM
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I was over critical.
06/09/2009 04:56:48 AM
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A real analyst or literary critic would laugh his ass off to see this...
06/09/2009 06:51:57 AM
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Re: because there should totaly be massive plot development in the first chapter
06/09/2009 01:22:09 AM
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A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
05/09/2009 09:34:44 PM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
05/09/2009 10:03:59 PM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
06/09/2009 03:18:41 AM
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I think Lews Therin's comments to Rand were the most hugely significant part of the chapter.
06/09/2009 01:15:05 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
06/09/2009 02:52:47 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
06/09/2009 07:08:08 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
06/09/2009 10:31:20 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
07/09/2009 05:09:38 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
08/09/2009 10:19:13 PM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
10/09/2009 06:20:56 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
08/09/2009 11:46:44 PM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
07/09/2009 04:41:47 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
09/09/2009 03:48:53 PM
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People who still have their wotmania SNs draw mine....
21/09/2009 05:25:15 PM
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Good post, but I have an alternative explanation for the saidin barrier
28/09/2009 12:53:41 AM
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Robert Jordon vs Brandon Sanderson
06/09/2009 12:02:13 AM
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Re: Robert Jordon vs Brandon Sanderson
06/09/2009 05:12:25 PM
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Re: Robert Jordon vs Brandon Sanderson
06/09/2009 07:20:45 PM
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I found it...interesting --spoilers--
06/09/2009 01:33:11 AM
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I liked it
06/09/2009 07:58:09 AM
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Some questions...
06/09/2009 08:04:30 AM
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Theory: Rand and Egwene. What is up?
06/09/2009 07:59:58 AM
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A simpler answer
06/09/2009 03:04:04 PM
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Really?
06/09/2009 03:38:59 PM
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Look at what he has seen...
06/09/2009 11:45:44 PM
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And all this happeened in the few days between the end of KoD and the beginning of tGS?
07/09/2009 12:35:29 AM
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Why not? How often did he think of Egwene in A Plain Wooden Box? It might have been there already
07/09/2009 05:29:27 AM
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She treated him like a pawn when she "passed" him over to Elayne way back. NM *NM*
07/09/2009 02:49:18 PM
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are we already at the location of the book cover?
06/09/2009 11:49:06 AM
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Two Things
07/09/2009 12:25:31 AM
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My thoughts are that the main page is being crowded by too many duplicate threads
07/09/2009 10:23:41 PM
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I know why Rand is mad at Egwene...read inside to find out
11/09/2009 03:15:00 AM
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Ummm... the embassy's proposal was accepted, and (presumably) communicated to Egwene at the earliest *NM*
11/09/2009 04:16:31 AM
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Semirhage isn't scaring anyone
28/09/2009 02:32:34 PM
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Indeed...
28/09/2009 03:36:55 PM
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Will the Chosen pass that edict down or just not act themselves?
28/09/2009 10:29:53 PM
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