One of the major events of ToM (perhaps the biggest one) was the set up for the conflict between Rand and Egwene over breaking the Seals.
By the end of the book, it looks like its going to be Rand, Min, Cadsuane, Nynaeve and Perrin versus the rest of the world, with some like Mat and Moiraine not yet committed.
By the end of the book, it looks like its going to be Rand, Min, Cadsuane, Nynaeve and Perrin versus the rest of the world, with some like Mat and Moiraine not yet committed.
I think it far more likely that in his current state, Rand will manage to convince the world either by words or by ta'veren (or both). Egwene and the AS will probably be left mostly alone to oppose Rand. Either that, or the meeting will be interrupted by something such as the attack on Caemlyn.
I think Rand is right that Breaking the Seals won't immediately free the Dark One. But the second part of his statement makes no sense since he acknowledges that breaking the Seals will make the DO stronger than he is now. If they need to face the Dark One when they're still strong, making him stronger when they don't know how to defeat him makes absolutely no sense.
The only way this makes sense is if Rand has an immediate plan to defeat the DO after breaking the Seals. But, by his own statements, he does not...
Yep. I actually made a post about this once before trying to come up with some reason for why Rand is in such a rush:
http://www.readandfindout.com/wheeloftime/messageboard/172633/
Basically, it makes very little sense for Rand to be so obsessed with breaking the seals right now, when he does not have a plan in place on what to do afterwards. For that matter, even if he DOES have a plan, why break them now? Why not just take the intact seals with him to battle and break them at SG itself, right before he confronts the DO since that would mean that most of the fighting against the trollocs would still take place with the light having the advantage of DO not being able to help in full.
Breaking the seals at Merrilor makes no real sense no matter how you look at it. Either Rand knows something we do not (we only got one very small PoV so this is possible) making it important to break the seals quickly, or he is still insane and acting irrationally (which would be really disappointing after all the struggle about him regaining his sanity) or it is just plain poor writing from BS. I hope there is a good solid explanation.
Since he is missing something vital in his plan to seal the Bore, and is still missing it in the end of the book, his continued insistence on breaking the Seals immediately can only mean he wants to break them now, before he has a plan to defeat the Dark One.
Which is just retarded.
There is just one book left, if this is all there is to it and Rand is _still_ being a useless moron at THIS point despite having all of LTT's training and experience to draw upon then I think I will be really disappointed. He has apparently regained his sanity so he no longer has the excuse of madness to explain any obviously poor actions.
But somewhere along the line, this has morphed into something else in Egwene's head...
"Yes, but the seals? That's foolhardy. Surely Rand can face the Dark One, and defeat him, and seal him away without taking that risk."
Ummm... where did that come from? When did planning change to this?
I doubt Egwene has any real understanding of how the seals work at all. And other than one throwaway line, she knows little about Ferid Hels work that has determined that the rubble has to be cleared.
For all she knows, all that will be required is for Rand to be there and throw blood around or something.
If I had to sum up their positions, this is how I'd do it:
Rand: Step 1)Break the Seals 2)Figure out what to do 3) Defeat the DO
Madness
Egwene: Step 1)Figure out what to do 2)Defeat the DO without affecting the Seals.
Complete ignorance
Step 1)Figure out what to do 2)Break the Seals 3)Immediately do what you planned and defeat the DO.
How could Rand/LTT combo fail to understand that THIS is the correct action to take.
I think Egwene's Dream merely warns against Breaking the Seals before planning for the next step. And I think this whole conflict, which came about only because Rand and Egwene didn't really talk about this whole situation, will be resolved pretty quickly, and was tacked on only so because of the book being split. The logic of both their ideas doesn't stand up to a few seconds of thought.
Maybe. We know from the one PoV from Rand that we did have that he has every intention of going through with his idea, no matter the opposition.
I think the real conflict in Merrilor is going to be about Rand's enforced peace with the Seanchan, and what the original conflict between Rand and Egwene was supposed to be in the un-split aMoL. The set-up has been there forever. Egwene's visceral hatred and fear of the Seanchan would make her the most obvious challenger to this plan, and I think every female Channeler in Merlillor would support her stand, resulting in a new version of the "Fateful Concord".
Maybe. Though its not just female channelers in danger at this point, since presumably the seanchan have the male a'dam too and we know it works even better than the female one. Rand needed TP to escape. But given the situation (huge armies of trollocs advancing), it seems odd that everyone would disagree with the idea that humanity needs to unite, if only for the moment, in order to survive.
Rand and Egwene: An artificial conflict?
04/06/2011 07:21:21 PM
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04/06/2011 11:38:24 PM
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Rand will break the seals with the purpose of...
06/06/2011 09:06:43 AM
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that's more than a little foolish if he doesn't already have a plan to reseal the bore
06/06/2011 01:08:38 PM
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10/06/2011 11:16:20 AM
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Nope...
10/06/2011 05:13:55 PM
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Re: Nope...
11/06/2011 02:15:06 AM
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I'm referring to what he tells Min...
11/06/2011 05:17:53 AM
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11/06/2011 11:18:12 AM
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Also the fact that he is playing Efwene to get leaders all in one place is explicitly stated
11/06/2011 11:26:18 AM
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I really like this idea
11/06/2011 06:53:34 PM
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