Re: To be fair, I don't think Elaynes playing "Who's the daddy?" for political reasons.
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 24/05/2011 02:50:30 PM
In fact, for all the doom and gloom friend and foe alike predict in Rands despotic rule, he's no worse than a lot of monarchs and better than most, so announcing she's the Dragons baby momma would probably please at least as many people as it alienated. It would just incidentally send every Dreadlord, Darkfriend and Shadowspawn on the planet screaming for her throat, not to mention every fanatic, lunatic and/or idiot in full blown denial who thinks the Last Battle can be averted if the Dragon Rebon just isn't there. Politics don't stop her from leaving the father of her children in doubt, despite the fact she's not married, or encouraging the notion that it's an obscure and lecherous Guardsman of dubious reputation. She's not covering her own rear, she's covering Rands and the babies. Of the three siblings, Elayne has the most palatable and, IMHO, most beneficial take on "do the right thing". Far better than Galads habit of sacrificing morality for legality,
I don't think that's really a good definition of Galad's position. That might be how Elayne (and through her claims, Nynaeve) interpreted his supposed moral quandary in tFoH, but aside from the highly prejudicial claims of a woman who freely admitted to hating him in an earlier book, there is actually no evidence of any such doubt in Galad's mind. He never gives the slightest evidence of acting on her suspicions that he might turn them in, and he later brushes aside Nynaeve's pointing out that he is one of the Children of the Light by insisting that he'd never hurt Elayne. Given that Elayne herself, on the same day she expresses her hatred for Galad also concedes that he does not lie, she herself provides the strongest evidence against her contention. As for the issues surrounding Perrin in ToM, I was beating the drum of Perrin's guilt long before the book was released, and the facts are absolute regarding his guilt in the unprovoked murder of two Children. Galad had the word of two men who stood by him to right the wrong done his step-mother, and given the circumstances cannot be faulted for holding Perrin suspect anymore than we could blame Rand or Mat or Perrin for acting against a man the other two swore was up to no good.
No one was ever provided any sort of reasonable case for a lot of the unwarranted assumptions made about Galad's morality early in the books. Elayne's assessment of his character was inspired by some unreasonable childhood prejudice, and one of her most admirable character moments is when she admits to herself that she was wrong on that count. Min's own morality and sense of right and wrong is utterly untrustworthy, as she is never shown to be standing up for any principle other than what will make her friends or loved ones happy. Elayne appears to be the first friend she ever made who so casually accepted her ability or trusted her so much. Of all the female characters, she seems to place the most faith in Min's viewings (to the point of altering her personal perspective on monogamy to fit a viewing), and we see more than once that that characteristic is something she welcomes in people, while the inverse aggravates her. Given this, Min's perspective of Galad, both in comparison to how she herself would approach a situation, and in sympathy with her first and possibly closest friend, is highly skewed to be unfavorable. Given Egwene's habits of twisting morality to suit her personal convenience, Galad's nature would also not appeal greatly to her. For all three women, given the flawed moral perspectives of two of them, and the difficulty growing up as a rambunctious child in the same household, Galad's honor and strict standards of behavior would probably be an unconscious reproach, further exacerbating any hostility to him.
Aside from them, no one else has a bad word for the man. Morgase loves him as much as her flesh and blood children, the Children of the Light put aside their institutional suspicions of his background to accept him, Gawyn's seething envy cannot overcome his identification of Galad's honor, and even Mat, hardly a paragon of dutiful probity in every particular, is able to sift through Elayne's condemnations of Galad to note that he sounds like a model of proper behavior.
or Gawyns seeming conviction morality is defined by whatever you find most excruciating at the moment. That's not to say Elaynes balance is flawless, it's just a lot less destructive and unbearable than her brothers.
For the most part I agree, (and with your perspective on her motivation for concealing Rand's paternity - I've gotten used to stipulating a self-interested motive on that front, just for the sake of correcting false accusations regarding other aspects of her rule), but I also can't find any flaws with Galad's moral perspective. Readers are too quick to tar him with the brush of every shady action taken by the Children while, thanks to the PoV trap, giving all the Tower initiates a clean slate regarding their association with the Tower's rather more sordid and extensive history of nefarious behavior, including nearly every sin laid at the Childrens' doorstep, including persecution of channelers, torture and interference with nations.
Cannoli
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“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
What do you think Morgase should have done?
16/05/2011 08:42:20 PM
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Much as she did, really.
16/05/2011 10:34:11 PM
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Agreed. Elayne's most unfortunate trait in ToM is excessive & impolitic loyalty
17/05/2011 02:39:32 AM
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To be fair, I don't think Elaynes playing "Who's the daddy?" for political reasons.
19/05/2011 08:32:03 AM
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Re: To be fair, I don't think Elaynes playing "Who's the daddy?" for political reasons.
24/05/2011 02:50:30 PM
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Honestly, Galad joining the Whitecloaks was indictment enough for me.
27/05/2011 11:15:54 AM
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The Children have been entirely seen through the perspectives of their enemies - hardly a fair shot
02/06/2011 11:48:53 PM
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Because the world conveniently divides into "the Children" and "their enemies", by mutual agreement.
03/06/2011 01:44:09 AM
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Re: What do you think Morgase should have done?
18/05/2011 12:32:30 PM
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Well, Amador wouldn't have been my first choice.
19/05/2011 08:52:46 AM
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Re: Well, Amador wouldn't have been my first choice.
19/05/2011 12:43:21 PM
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I thought Morgase intended to not involve the Whitecloacks at all when she went to Amadicia
19/05/2011 02:08:40 PM
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Re: I thought Morgase intended to not involve the Whitecloacks at all when she went to Amadicia
19/05/2011 08:29:55 PM
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In terms of what I would've done, attempting to regain the throne would not have been it.
20/05/2011 12:21:05 AM
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