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Not plastic, more like electronics. Gher Send a noteboard - 11/05/2011 03:26:53 PM
I don't have much to say re: Cuendillar, so most of this post will be 'angreals. All I can guess is that Cuendillar was ethically discouraged during the AoL due to it's permanence, and most of it got buried in earth or water. Flimsy, I know.

By having Elayne construct ter'angreal so easily (and by association angreal as well), and by having Egwene construct Cuendillar so easily, RJ renders absurd the idea that these two items could have been rare in any way back in the AOL.


And yet Elayne doesn't construct ter'angreal that easily. She can make cheap copies of existing ter'angreal, or really, really simple originals. She's not churning out the balefire rods or anything.

And she hasn't made angreal. She gets frustrated that she can't.

I am not rejecting the idea of Elayne or Ewgene having these two respective Talents. But it would have been far more logical if even with these Talents, it should take Elayne months to construct a ter'angreal and that it should have taken Egwene an equal amount of time to create a small goblet of Cuendillar, rather than constructing an entire Harbour chain in a few days.


I don't think it is a time issue, but an equipment issue. In the AoL, I think angreal, sa', and complex ter'angreal took high-tech facilities utilizing other ter'angreal, highly skilled technicians, and definitely mixed gender circles.

The entire world should have been full of permanently indestructible Cuendillar objects in that case. And ter'angreal and angreal should have been as cheap as plastic is in our world.


More like electronics and military-grade weapons. Simple ter'angreal might have been as inexpensive as microwave ovens, and as "cheap" as smartphones. Angreal might have been as commonplace as bazookas and tanks, Sa's as accessible as nukes.

I also reject the notion raised elsewhere on this thread that the Forsaken would have been unwilling to openly carry angreal, out of some sort of pride or unwillingness to admit weakness.


I'd mostly agree, but I do think they'd still wear disguised 'angreals. Sort of a concealed weapon.

Lews Therin had a well publicized paralis net. He had his own personal Sa'angreal. *Cut*


Yes, and Barak Obama has his own jet airplane, a large, highly-trained personal security force, and the ability to end the world.

Even the weakest of angreal appear to come close to doubling a channeler's strength. In a time of war, every advantage is sought after. Especially in an environment such as the ranks of the Shadow, where it is each man for himself.


Agreed. I don't doubt that each of the Forsaken and other Chosen had impressive arsenals. But I would be very surprised if the Dark One allowed a single 'angreal into his presence.

The Forsaken should have been carrying angreal like a Mafioso carries guns.


More like a regular RPG character with a standard-issue bottomless backpack. :P

The only reason why they did not have them at Shayol Ghul, is that the Dark One probably forbade them bringing any along. But in all other circumstances I am sure they carried loads of the stuff.


My bad. I didn't see this before I posted above.

Incidentally, this also invalidates the theory that Lanfear somehow had a strength augmenting angreal hidden on her person. If the others were not allowed to bring along angreal to Shayol Ghul, she would not have been allowed to either.


I had not heard this theory. ToM seems to have killed it anyway.



The way I see it, it'd be like taking the top ~100 greatest minds alive today (shorter lifespans), freezing them for 3000 years while the apocalypse comes and goes, and then 2-3 other slightly less damaging apocalypses pass by, with semi-constant warfare before, during, and after. Then let them out, and see just how much that can get rebuilt in 2-3 years. I'd be impressed at a single city with indoor plumbing and electricity, not disappointed at the lack of TVs and cell phones, much less howitzers, fighter jets and Tomahawk Cruise missiles.

After the Forsaken got out, they were probably told to make infiltration and conquering a higher priority than power multipliers. The DO needs competent generals and leaders, he can use the natives for most of the fighting.
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