Siuans two decades of manipulative scheming made her Amyrlin and thereby gave Moiraine the resources and latitude to find, protect and prepare Rand for his destiny, but also created the enduring legacy of suspicion and betrayal that deposed and stilled her. That might be excused as a necessary evil to ensure the Dragon reaches the Last Battle (she seems to justified it thus to herself), except that had she not been so consistently devious and tight lipped about all her activities the Sitters would not have been so receptive to whispers against her, and had she involved anyone but Moiraine (even Leanne, who was pointedly excluded) she might have had some whisper herself about what was brewing. Instead, Elaida was able to buttonhole Alviarin without her notice and the two of them to muster most of the Hall against the Amyrlin under her very nose. Against that backdrop Egwenes treatment of Gawyn is par for the course; when SOP is "trust no one; they're all too stupid/wicked to merit trust" it's no surprise her lover is lumped into the category along with her childhood friends, allies and mentor. Egwene plays her own game, and plays it very well, but everyone we've seen play that game eventually and dramatically LOST.
I have maintained a silence thus far on this topic because, quite frankly, he comes the closest of anyone not sworn to the Shadow to deserving Egwene and all that a relationship with her entails. But injustice cannot be hidden behind silence forever, so now Egwene’s behavior in regards to Gawyn must be examined. To her detriment of course.
Actually, Siuan did want to involve other people. Moiriane was the one who put her foot down and said it would have to be just the two of them. Thank the Creator for that, because the first person Siuan wanted to turn to was Sheriam!
They really had no way back then to know who was Black Ajah, and they were very wise to shut up.
And while Siuan's silence did lead to her downfall, its a small price to pay compared to the alternatives. Even if all the women they involved in their plan turned out to be trustworthy, it would have meant a lot more Aes Sedai around Rand.
As for Merrilor breaking Egwene... I'd just re-read the whole Latra Pose vs. Lews Therin situation. Neither broke the other, and in the end, both played their part to save the world. RJ was very clearly setting up Egwene to be the Third Age's Latra Pose. The reason she came across so unevenly in ToM is because these were all scenes Jordan had less to do with than the Egwene scenes in tGS. Brandon just botched the characterization completely.
This message last edited by fionwe1987 on 04/05/2011 at 05:45:19 AM
Egwene vs. Gawyn (ToM spoilers of course)
28/04/2011 05:01:46 AM
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There's fifty feet of crap between rock bottom and your post... *NM*
28/04/2011 07:40:04 AM
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Almost three days since the last post...at least I'm trying.
28/04/2011 12:17:59 PM
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What is to discuss here? You hate Egwene and will spin anything to put her in a negative light
28/04/2011 12:59:58 PM
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But he's so good at it. all the pieces are in there and close to the right place... like a picasso.
03/05/2011 12:51:54 AM
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I'd say there's no need to take it so seriously when there's so few posts lately. You should see
28/04/2011 05:59:19 PM
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while i agree with you on most of this
28/04/2011 04:53:06 PM
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hmpf, i post a good point and nothing
28/04/2011 11:09:53 PM
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you could say the same about a lot of the relationships in this series
28/04/2011 04:59:19 PM
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I agree there are plenty of underdeveloped and somewhat one-sided relationships in the series
28/04/2011 08:15:52 PM
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Re: I agree there are plenty of underdeveloped and somewhat one-sided relationships in the series
29/04/2011 06:55:14 PM
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In regards to the letters...
28/04/2011 05:28:13 PM
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But Gawyn was not Egwene's subject
28/04/2011 06:09:31 PM
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Which was why I thought it was appropriate, since he meant to act as Egwene's Warder.
28/04/2011 06:19:53 PM
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The only issue is that Warders are not minions - they are honored junior partners.
28/04/2011 07:39:18 PM
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No, the junior partners are Accepted. Warders are essentially personal bodyguards and/or assistants.
28/04/2011 08:00:17 PM
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Accepted are not anything, let alone junior partners. Don't think N&E's experience was typical
28/04/2011 09:32:22 PM
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Here's the thing though...
28/04/2011 11:20:32 PM
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No, but it's cute and quirky when Faile does it.
29/04/2011 03:06:50 PM
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But...
29/04/2011 10:52:03 PM
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That's not really clear
29/04/2011 11:41:20 PM
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Actually, it is...
30/04/2011 06:37:42 PM
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Re: Actually, it is...
30/04/2011 11:17:21 PM
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Didn't Siuan, Gareth and Gawyn tell her about the Bloodknife they encountered?
02/05/2011 02:33:08 PM
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Re: Accepted are not anything, let alone junior partners. Don't think N&E's experience was typical
28/04/2011 11:36:24 PM
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My two cents: yes, a little, maybe, and possibly not.
28/04/2011 06:05:09 PM
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Regarding your reference to another Emond's Fielder: What are you talking about?
28/04/2011 09:06:13 PM
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both together, couldn't separate them in my mind - perrin's evasiveness or nyn's trickiness *NM*
28/04/2011 10:16:57 PM
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It isn't the worst romance in WoT
28/04/2011 08:10:23 PM
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Galad is a great option for a political marriage
28/04/2011 09:04:46 PM
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Yes, but...
28/04/2011 09:40:39 PM
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but galad knew nothing of berelain's closeness to rand, so that couldn't have affected anything
28/04/2011 10:12:23 PM
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Yes. An often overlooked point is that ELAYNE, not Egwene, gains the most power in ToM
28/04/2011 09:42:43 PM
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Except they're both really hot.
28/04/2011 10:01:46 PM
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I can only quibble; Egwene became so insufferable in ToM I'm convinced her fate will be unpleasant.
04/05/2011 12:41:53 AM
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Siuan...
04/05/2011 05:42:59 AM
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Re: Siuan screwed up big time.
07/05/2011 03:35:46 AM
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Good points all round (do you switch brains when getting into real world politics? ) & re: the Talk
12/05/2011 02:04:06 PM
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Thanks, (and no, you just become less and less astute as we move farther from fiction. )
15/05/2011 11:46:41 PM
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