Re: I agree there are plenty of underdeveloped and somewhat one-sided relationships in the series
Ava Send a noteboard - 29/04/2011 06:55:14 PM
To be fair, Egwene could probably fall back on the "it was fated to be" thing too, given her Dreams (the prophetic ones, not the wet dreams), and Min's visions. They did get a little build-up in the series, e.g. Eg's discovery that Gawyn liked her but was hiding it, Gawyn letting Siuan & co. escape the Tower being based at least partially on his liking for the Egster, and Gawyn and Eg's extended makeout sessions in Cairhien. So it's pretty much the same minimal amount of foreshadowing as any other relationship in WoT; a glimmer of attraction here and there and then BAM, married.
Insofar as power-balances go, there's a difference between compromise, and running rough-shod over someone. It's hard to do when one partner is significantly more powerful than the other, but I think Nyn and Lan have done a good job of finding a balance. So have Rand and Avi/Min/Elayne. Unfortunately, those two groups are the only ones. Everyone else is mostly treating their partner like a servant, eg the AS and their Warders. I agree that Egwene and Gawyn fall in this camp, but given that almost everybody in Randland does too, I disagree that their case is anything unusual. Annoying yes, unusual no.
As far as the Egginator herself, in the interest of full disclosure I have to admit that I really liked Egwene when she first became Amyrlin. For a junior wannabe to be dumped into the position of AS leader, in the middle of an AS civil war, on the losing side, and surrounded by the most viperish of all the AS, I think she did a damn fine job of holding her own. Her actions as prisoner in the Tower and the battle against the Seanchan were also a credit to her.
However, her reversal of position on the AS Oaths was one of the single dumbest things that any character has done in the series. Her current opposition to Rand, complete lack of regard for his knowledge or abilities, and determination to "make him see things her way" (which will almost certainly lose the LB for them if she succeeds), have also lost her much of what she gained. Long story short, Egs was awesome when she was kicking AS butt, but as of ToM, her rapid-onset Elaidification now that she's the "real" Amyrlin has severely set her back.
Insofar as power-balances go, there's a difference between compromise, and running rough-shod over someone. It's hard to do when one partner is significantly more powerful than the other, but I think Nyn and Lan have done a good job of finding a balance. So have Rand and Avi/Min/Elayne. Unfortunately, those two groups are the only ones. Everyone else is mostly treating their partner like a servant, eg the AS and their Warders. I agree that Egwene and Gawyn fall in this camp, but given that almost everybody in Randland does too, I disagree that their case is anything unusual. Annoying yes, unusual no.
As far as the Egginator herself, in the interest of full disclosure I have to admit that I really liked Egwene when she first became Amyrlin. For a junior wannabe to be dumped into the position of AS leader, in the middle of an AS civil war, on the losing side, and surrounded by the most viperish of all the AS, I think she did a damn fine job of holding her own. Her actions as prisoner in the Tower and the battle against the Seanchan were also a credit to her.
However, her reversal of position on the AS Oaths was one of the single dumbest things that any character has done in the series. Her current opposition to Rand, complete lack of regard for his knowledge or abilities, and determination to "make him see things her way" (which will almost certainly lose the LB for them if she succeeds), have also lost her much of what she gained. Long story short, Egs was awesome when she was kicking AS butt, but as of ToM, her rapid-onset Elaidification now that she's the "real" Amyrlin has severely set her back.
Egwene vs. Gawyn (ToM spoilers of course)
28/04/2011 05:01:46 AM
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There's fifty feet of crap between rock bottom and your post... *NM*
28/04/2011 07:40:04 AM
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Almost three days since the last post...at least I'm trying.
28/04/2011 12:17:59 PM
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What is to discuss here? You hate Egwene and will spin anything to put her in a negative light
28/04/2011 12:59:58 PM
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But he's so good at it. all the pieces are in there and close to the right place... like a picasso.
03/05/2011 12:51:54 AM
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I'd say there's no need to take it so seriously when there's so few posts lately. You should see
28/04/2011 05:59:19 PM
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while i agree with you on most of this
28/04/2011 04:53:06 PM
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hmpf, i post a good point and nothing
28/04/2011 11:09:53 PM
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you could say the same about a lot of the relationships in this series
28/04/2011 04:59:19 PM
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I agree there are plenty of underdeveloped and somewhat one-sided relationships in the series
28/04/2011 08:15:52 PM
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Re: I agree there are plenty of underdeveloped and somewhat one-sided relationships in the series
29/04/2011 06:55:14 PM
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In regards to the letters...
28/04/2011 05:28:13 PM
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But Gawyn was not Egwene's subject
28/04/2011 06:09:31 PM
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Which was why I thought it was appropriate, since he meant to act as Egwene's Warder.
28/04/2011 06:19:53 PM
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The only issue is that Warders are not minions - they are honored junior partners.
28/04/2011 07:39:18 PM
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No, the junior partners are Accepted. Warders are essentially personal bodyguards and/or assistants.
28/04/2011 08:00:17 PM
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Accepted are not anything, let alone junior partners. Don't think N&E's experience was typical
28/04/2011 09:32:22 PM
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Here's the thing though...
28/04/2011 11:20:32 PM
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No, but it's cute and quirky when Faile does it.
29/04/2011 03:06:50 PM
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But...
29/04/2011 10:52:03 PM
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That's not really clear
29/04/2011 11:41:20 PM
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Actually, it is...
30/04/2011 06:37:42 PM
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Re: Actually, it is...
30/04/2011 11:17:21 PM
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Didn't Siuan, Gareth and Gawyn tell her about the Bloodknife they encountered?
02/05/2011 02:33:08 PM
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Re: Accepted are not anything, let alone junior partners. Don't think N&E's experience was typical
28/04/2011 11:36:24 PM
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My two cents: yes, a little, maybe, and possibly not.
28/04/2011 06:05:09 PM
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Regarding your reference to another Emond's Fielder: What are you talking about?
28/04/2011 09:06:13 PM
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both together, couldn't separate them in my mind - perrin's evasiveness or nyn's trickiness *NM*
28/04/2011 10:16:57 PM
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It isn't the worst romance in WoT
28/04/2011 08:10:23 PM
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Galad is a great option for a political marriage
28/04/2011 09:04:46 PM
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Yes, but...
28/04/2011 09:40:39 PM
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but galad knew nothing of berelain's closeness to rand, so that couldn't have affected anything
28/04/2011 10:12:23 PM
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Yes. An often overlooked point is that ELAYNE, not Egwene, gains the most power in ToM
28/04/2011 09:42:43 PM
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Except they're both really hot.
28/04/2011 10:01:46 PM
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I can only quibble; Egwene became so insufferable in ToM I'm convinced her fate will be unpleasant.
04/05/2011 12:41:53 AM
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Siuan...
04/05/2011 05:42:59 AM
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Re: Siuan screwed up big time.
07/05/2011 03:35:46 AM
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Good points all round (do you switch brains when getting into real world politics? ) & re: the Talk
12/05/2011 02:04:06 PM
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Thanks, (and no, you just become less and less astute as we move farther from fiction. )
15/05/2011 11:46:41 PM
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