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They were naive redqueen Send a noteboard - 28/04/2011 11:10:34 PM
The only character to scorn Berelain and constantly look upon her as a worthless slut is Egwene. Surprise, surprise.


Elayne too, and Nynaeve didn't think much of her. I always assumed it was just their naivity - Egwene and Nynaeve still judging the world by Two Rivers standards (does anyone else think 'good Two Rivers woolens' are more about warmth than modesty? It's cold around there) and Elayne being jealous over Rand. Elayne, though she would have been raised knowing her marriage was a means to an end, would have unquestioningly assumed that she would enter into any such relationship from a position of strength. None of the three of them knew anything about the political realities of being a weak woman ruler with only beauty and guile for weapons.

Egwene, at least, should overcome that bias if she ever stops to think about it. Her own time as a 'novice' in the Tower was very similar, in principle, to what Berelain had to do. Her only weapons were her mind and her white dress, and she allowed her body to both be beaten and used for labour because it was the only way to succeed. You do what you have to do.
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Egwene vs. Gawyn (ToM spoilers of course) - 28/04/2011 05:01:46 AM 4133 Views
There's fifty feet of crap between rock bottom and your post... *NM* - 28/04/2011 07:40:04 AM 506 Views
Almost three days since the last post...at least I'm trying. - 28/04/2011 12:17:59 PM 1022 Views
Sorry about that... - 28/04/2011 10:58:50 PM 1081 Views
Ah, its always good to see a good Egwene rant. Bravo! NM *NM* - 28/04/2011 01:58:46 PM 743 Views
Great work, Cannoli - 28/04/2011 02:09:28 PM 1035 Views
Regarding the mother's permission.... - 28/04/2011 07:26:29 PM 1102 Views
while i agree with you on most of this - 28/04/2011 04:53:06 PM 1164 Views
hmpf, i post a good point and nothing - 28/04/2011 11:09:53 PM 934 Views
Everybody agrees with you, that's why there were no replies *NM* - 28/04/2011 11:29:13 PM 493 Views
Here's a scary thought - 28/04/2011 11:54:50 PM 1250 Views
OMGWTFBBQ!? - 28/04/2011 11:58:37 PM 975 Views
In regards to the letters... - 28/04/2011 05:28:13 PM 1212 Views
But Gawyn was not Egwene's subject - 28/04/2011 06:09:31 PM 1014 Views
Which was why I thought it was appropriate, since he meant to act as Egwene's Warder. - 28/04/2011 06:19:53 PM 973 Views
The only issue is that Warders are not minions - they are honored junior partners. - 28/04/2011 07:39:18 PM 1138 Views
No, the junior partners are Accepted. Warders are essentially personal bodyguards and/or assistants. - 28/04/2011 08:00:17 PM 938 Views
Marriage - 28/04/2011 08:27:53 PM 952 Views
Accepted are not anything, let alone junior partners. Don't think N&E's experience was typical - 28/04/2011 09:32:22 PM 1186 Views
Here's the thing though... - 28/04/2011 11:20:32 PM 988 Views
No, but it's cute and quirky when Faile does it. - 29/04/2011 03:06:50 PM 1150 Views
But... - 29/04/2011 10:52:03 PM 944 Views
That's not really clear - 29/04/2011 11:41:20 PM 1078 Views
Actually, it is... - 30/04/2011 06:37:42 PM 1107 Views
Re: Actually, it is... - 30/04/2011 11:17:21 PM 975 Views
Didn't Siuan, Gareth and Gawyn tell her about the Bloodknife they encountered? - 02/05/2011 02:33:08 PM 984 Views
It isn't the worst romance in WoT - 28/04/2011 08:10:23 PM 1286 Views
Re: It isn't the worst romance in WoT - 28/04/2011 08:25:31 PM 1211 Views
thumbs up to you both *NM* - 28/04/2011 08:45:51 PM 480 Views
Re: It isn't the worst romance in WoT - 28/04/2011 08:46:37 PM 1106 Views
Galad is a great option for a political marriage - 28/04/2011 09:04:46 PM 979 Views
Yes, but... - 28/04/2011 09:40:39 PM 1010 Views
but galad knew nothing of berelain's closeness to rand, so that couldn't have affected anything - 28/04/2011 10:12:23 PM 1053 Views
Exactly - 28/04/2011 10:27:04 PM 911 Views
Yes. An often overlooked point is that ELAYNE, not Egwene, gains the most power in ToM - 28/04/2011 09:42:43 PM 1365 Views
Except... - 28/04/2011 11:16:25 PM 1010 Views
Well... - 29/04/2011 12:14:42 AM 974 Views
Re: Well... - 29/04/2011 08:39:37 AM 933 Views
Except they're both really hot. - 28/04/2011 10:01:46 PM 1157 Views
They were naive - 28/04/2011 11:10:34 PM 953 Views
Re: They were naive - 29/04/2011 03:18:42 PM 1244 Views
I can only quibble; Egwene became so insufferable in ToM I'm convinced her fate will be unpleasant. - 04/05/2011 12:41:53 AM 1149 Views
Siuan... - 04/05/2011 05:42:59 AM 1119 Views
Re: Siuan screwed up big time. - 07/05/2011 03:35:46 AM 993 Views
Re: Siuan screwed up big time. - 12/05/2011 02:13:08 PM 971 Views
"McClellanesque", eh? I'll have to remember that one. - 16/05/2011 12:12:23 AM 1249 Views

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